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Water, Water Everywhere; and so little understood. It’s the Structure, Not the composition That’s the message from this presentation. Authors. Materials Research Lab The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA . Prof. Rustum Roy. Dr. Tania Slawecki, PhD.

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water water everywhere and so little understood

Water, Water Everywhere;and so little understood

It’s the Structure,

Not the composition

That’s the message from this presentation.


Materials Research Lab

The Pennsylvania State University

University Park, PA

Prof. Rustum Roy

Dr. Tania Slawecki, PhD

Dr. Manju Lata Rao, PhD

LiveH2O.TV_June 19, 2009

the speaker is a citizen scientist www rustumroy com

Holds 5 professorships—Penn State, Arizona State, U. of Arizona

Elected to the National Academies of 5 countries

U.S., Japan, Russia, Sweden, India

50 years championing/practicing interdisciplinarity in…

Materials Research;

Science Technology Society;

Science & Art; Science & Religion;

Role of sex/money, in culture

The Speaker is: A Citizen Scientist (www.rustumroy.com)
immersed in hard science for 60 years
Immersed in ‘Hard Science’ for 60 years

Ruby (14 lb.): Union Carbide

Diamond: biggest ever cubic—ZrO2

Ruby dinner plate: Kyocera-Meissen

Black silicon carbide carborundum

The materials this ‘hard scientist’ works on!

what is hard science really
What is ‘Hard Science’, Really?

One which deals in FACTS

  • Reproducible experiments connecting

Cause Effect

  • Repeated 2-10 times depending on how extraordinary
  • Repeated in other labs

Explanations or theories are NOTneeded

to be hard science. They come later - and change often.

science for the citizen
Science for the Citizen

Useful Science: About water

The 1st Law of Materials Science

comes right after the 1st two laws of thermodynamics,

it is:



Thousands of scientists,

ignorant outside their specialty,

have never heard of it.

They mainly think of composition

as the way to change properties.

It is one way, but routine...


Hence, they ask if the water is

‘PURE,’ and if so, they exclaim:


i.e. Liquid H2O always has the same properties

Nothing could be further from the truth.


That was the argument against homeopathy

for nearly 200 years, up to today,

by so-called scientists/physicians

(who never read the literature outside their fields).

Nor do the journalists

who take their word for it!


Now, that argument

has been forever laid to rest.

Hence, homeopathy must now

be judged only on its efficacy.

And, head-to-head

compared to pharma products for patient satisfaction, efficacy and cost.

so what then is the structure of liquid water
So, what, then is the Structure of Liquid Water?

First: It is made up of building blocks (=molecules) of different size and shape

Those blocks are NOT the structure

anymore than the bricks describe your home


Small to large building blocks

Obviously in the liquids/solids one must describe the concentration and 3-D location of all such blocks( see Martin Chaplin’s website)


The building itself. Very messy.

A very crude ‘cartoon’ of a realistic “Paracrystalline’ section of

a structure of liquid water incorporating several Chaplin molecules

With very very different bonds between units (esp. black//black)

R. Roy, W.A. Tiller, I. Bell and M.R. Hoover,

Materials Research Innovations,

Vol. 9, Is. 4, pp. 577-608 (Dec. 2005).

the tale of two materials

More Science for the Citizen

“The Tale of Two Materials”


Key to water’s uniqueness

Diamond & Graphite


“It’s Just Carbon!”


“It’s Just Carbon”

All bonds equal

Very unequal







Shows the dramatic difference that “Anisodesmicity” (=unequal bonds) makes


  • Worlds hardest material.
  • Very strong, bonds in 3 all dimensions

Bonds all equal


  • World’s (nearly) softest material.
  • Even stronger within sheets
  • Very weak between

Very unequal


Your Key Questions

  • So, how many kinds of liquid water are there?
    • Very, very many.
  • How long do the new structures last?
    • Some last at least hours and days: some for very long times near room temperatures.
  • Why do we have so many? and
  • How can you tell?

How can you change water?

Vast majority of scientists

would reply:

Only by temperature (T)

and pressure (P)

they are terribly wrong
They are terribly wrong.

How can it be?

For 100 years?


Unfortunately, thermodynamics

has a bigger “black hole” than astronomy – one that is much more significant to humans…

…because it deals (almost) exclusively with changes of G (free energy)

But limits them to only P & T

but there are several other common vectors which change matter
But there are several other common vectors which change matter
  • Electric fields
  • Magnetic fields
  • (Strain fields)
  • (Epitaxy)

Ignoring all these is the real black hole

in modern science;

but the matter is complicated!

  • The special contribution of Materials-Science
  • Imprinting of one structure on to another, especially from a solid to liquids, without any transfer of matter; it is pattern or information transfer

The power of these vectors

have now been thoroughly proven

in our and others’ research

on our most important solids

as we show in dozens of key papers.

Go to: http://www.mri.psu.edu/centers/mpec/

in addition we can now conceive of an explanation for the well documented effects of
In addition we can now conceive of an explanation for the well documented effects of:
  • Human intention
  • Prayers

Because they can be seen as

similar vectors.

Interesting new line for research?

what is much more important is
What is much more important is…
  • That such vectors have been shown to work in changing water - thoroughly proven worldwide, for millennia, including the present
  • Now we can also claim an explanation in our scientific dialect!

Dr. Tania Slawecki, PhD

20 years at the bench (in USA)

water can be changed by
Water can be changed by
  • Silver Colloids
  • Ultra-dilute Solutions
    • Homeopathic remedies
  • Holy waters!
  • Microwave
  • Radio Frequency
  • Ultra-Violet etc..

3. Especially Controlled by RESONANCE and POLARIZATION


How do we LOOK at and STUDY

Water Solutions?

  • pH
  • Surface Tension
  • Zeta Potential
  • Spectroscopy
    • Raman (Infrared)
    • FTIR (Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy)
    • UV-Vis (Ultra-violet – Visible Spectroscopy)

Also CHEMICAL analysis as needed!


Raman Spectroscopy

Raman Spectrum for Pure Water


-OH stretch


-OH bending and rotation

-OH bending modes

Inphotonics Raman Spectrometer:

Laser Raman Probe in

Water Sample

Main -OH stretch band

Vibrational Energy


-OH bending and rotation

-OH bending modes


Raman Spectra

Homeopathic Remedies

(Samples from M. Sue Benford)

  • 3 Potencies labeled
  • (6X, 30X, CM)
  • 3 samples unknown (1, 2, 3)
  • Raman Spectra are UNIQUE




Sample 1 = 6X

Sample 2 = 30X

Sample 3 = CM

Sample 2

Sample 1

Sample 3

Unexpected! STRUCTURED!

It’s not “just water”!


Ultraviolet-Visible Spectrometer

We examine how liquids ABSORB certain frequencies of visible and ultra-violet light





What happens when we add FEW PARTS PER MILLION of Silver

to Water?

The water gets “structured”

by the silver in the

UV range




UV-Vis Spectrum

for Water

(De-ionized water)

200 ppm silver

Electrons are being excited to higher energy states

22 ppm

32 ppm

10 ppm

No absorption in either the UV or Visible range!

Nothing to see!


Dr. Manju Lata Rao, PhD

10 years at the bench (India + USA)


What is a colloid?

Permanent suspension of a solid/ liquid in a second liquid phase.

Dispersed Solid

Liquid Medium


Common examples: Milk, blood; mayonnaise

Colloidal Silver


Structuring Water with NanoParticles

  • Suspend permanently billions of solid “nanoparticles” in liquid water
  • As a “sol” or a “colloid”.
  • Einstein’s remark “colloid acts like an atom,” implying, presumably, some “structuring” of the water by the presence of the charged solid
  • Made after his Brownian motion paper
  • 3 Nobel prizes in 2 years for colloids

Einstein A 1905 Ann. Phys., Paris 17 549

synergism of silver water dispersion with antibiotics

Colloidal Silver

Synergism of Silver-Water Dispersion™ with antibiotics
  • _________________________________________________________________________________________________
  • Antibiotic E. coli Ps. MRSA S.aureus S. Sh. B.
  • Discs (MDR) aeruginsao 6538 P typhi flexneri subtilis
  • (mcg) (MDR)
  • _________________________________________________________________________________________________
  • Amikacin ----Syn.. Add. -- -- Add.
  • Amoxicillin -- -- Ant. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Carbenicillin -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Cefoperazone -- -- Syn. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • CeftizidimeSyn. Syn. Add.Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Ciprofloxacin -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Clindamycin -- -- Add. Add. -- Add. Add.
  • Doxycycline -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Erythromycin -- -- Add. Add. -- Add. Add.
  • Gentamycin Add. -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • KanamycinSyn. -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Nalidixic Acid -- -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Oxacillin -- -- Ant. Add. -- Add. Add.
  • Penicillin-G -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Rifampin Add. Add. Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Streptomycin Add. -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Tetracycline -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Tobramycin Add. -- Add. Add. Add. Add. Add.
  • Trimethoprim -- -- Add. Add. Add. Add. --
  • ______________________________________________________________________________________

Colloidal Silver ENHANCES the effects of Antibiotics!

in vitro study of silver in falciparum malaria

In Vitro study of silver in Falciparum Malaria

“Our studies have shown that silver effectively kills falciparum in human blood culture.

In addition, it is very effective in chloroquine resistant Malaria.”

“Urgent human studies are needed.”

Prof. V. S. Chauhan Director International Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology (ICGEB) ArunaAsaf Ali Marg New Delhi – 110 067 INDIA

Tel: 91-11-26102317 (Direct); 26189358/60/61 (EPBX) Fax: 91-11-26162316

Email: virander@icgeb.res.in

Website: www.icgeb.org

Colloidal Silver



Name : Pandhari Bhiva Malode

Age : 60 Years.

Size : After Treatment

3 Cm Long

2 Cm Wide

History : Patient was admitted for Ulcer on Lt. Foot which was full of Maggots.

His 3rd , 4th and 5th toes were completely eaten by maggots.

There was severe oozing with pus discharge.


Colloidal Silver




After application of Hydrogel on Alternate days. The wound was clear, there was no oozing. Healthy Granulation Tissue was seen and the size of the wound reduced drastically.

Parts Per Million of Silver in a Gel (which is mostly WATER)

summary on colloids

Summary on colloids

It is well established now that colloidal silver acts as an antibacterial agent.

Extends the action of antibiotics.

Not only bacteria, but also attacks viruses.

Preliminary clinical evidence with positive effects on…

– Malaria


- Leprosy

– And research opportunities


Radiation Effects on Water

Microwave Steve Sedlmayr device

Fluid Holding Vessel


  • Microwave Distillation Process:
    • Produced water with healing properties
    • Corrodes plastic and stainless steel!

Radiation Effects on Water

Single Mode 2.45 GHz Microwave Radiation effects- Sedlmayr Process

Raman spectra

O-H Stretch bond

(sym and antisym)

O-H Stretch bond

(sym and antisym)

M. Rao, R. Roy, S. Sedlmayr and J. Kanzius, “Effect of polarized microwave and radio frequency fields on the structure and stability of liquid water” Presented at MRS conference at Boston Nov 2007.


Radiation Effects on Water

Polarized 13.56 MHz Radiofrequency radiation on the Structure of water- Kanzius Process

John Kanzius- Inventor of the RF generator


First Experiments run by the team using Kanzius RF instrument at Penn State on Sept 7, 2007


Radiation Effects on Water

Mixtures of various concentrations of NaCl and water combusting (when ignited) in the presence of a 13.56 MHz RF radiation (a) 0.3% NaCl (b) 3% NaCl (c) 30% NaCl; (a-c) were carried out in pyrex test tubes; (d) 3% NaCl in PTFE tube; (e) 3% NaCl in Silica glass and (f) DI water either in Silica glass or in PTFE (not shown here) do not ignite


Radiation Effects on Water

Structural changes : Evidence from spectroscopy

  • Raman spectra ~2 hours following combustion in the RF field.
  • Both samples at room temperature.
  • Prolonged burning reduces the water content in the test tube and increases the salinity.






Radiation Effects on Water

Spontaneous ignition of sea water in the RF field

Photo showing a drop of sea water taken in Mr. and Mrs. Kanzius’ Sanibel home in Florida, self-igniting into a flame in presence of the radiofrequency field.



The facts are voluminous, indisputable,

and compelling.



We have shown some very spectacular effects.


The Future of “Water”

The new vectors for designing water-based products (for use in major industries and for maintaining health or causing healing)

We already know for sure that we can change it and retain it for simple experimental times or longer.

GO TO rustumroy.com for details


Structuring Water

  • The use of sols (solid particles permanently suspended in a liquid), e.g. Colloidal Silver is the leader—but dozens beyond.

All natural waters are sols, with specific materials

Some may be remarkable for healing due to specific now-controllable properties.

2. The use of specifically chosen radiation (EM, Acoustic; vibrational and “Subtle” energies)

- Targeted or enhanced using Resonance and/or