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There is No Equivalent to an Associate Degree. Lionel Nash Wheeler North. The Genesis. Title 5 §53410 allows for foreign degrees that are equivalent Title 5 §53430 allows one to “ possess qualifications that are at least equivalent to the minimum qualifications”. The Resolve.

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the genesis
The Genesis
  • Title 5 §53410 allows for foreign degrees that are equivalent
  • Title 5 §53430 allows one to “possess qualifications that are at least equivalent to the minimum qualifications”
the resolve
The Resolve
  • Spring 2009 – Resolution 10.11R
    • Resolved, That the Academic Senate for California Community Colleges recommend to the Board of Governors that there is no equivalent to the associate degree for disciplines in which a master’s degree is not generally expected or available and that an associate degree is the minimum educational qualification required for all faculty members in these disciplines.
the result
The Result
  • The resolve was referred to the ASCCC Executive committee to conduct more research on the pros and cons of such a position and to bring back information in Fall 2009. (for reconsideration)
the timeline
The Timeline
  • Fall 2009 session was too soon
  • Conduct breakouts at numerous stakeholder events
  • Prepare articles informing the field
  • Collect information and evidence
  • Reconsider resolution in April at Spring Session.
the impact
The Impact
  • Title 5 §53410 currently allows for AA/AS degrees in the now two non-Master’s degree areas.
  • This change would only impact those two areas.
  • If adopted it would have no affect on equivalencies for Bachelor’s or Master’s degrees.
the philosophy
The Philosophy
  • Should all faculty posses the degree that their students are seeking?
  • Is it right for some K12 and Noncredit requirements to have higher qualifications?
    • (In vocational/ROP areas)
the questions
The Questions
  • What’s Broken?
    • Is there evidence of faculty inappropriately being hired?
    • Are there undue costs associated with hiring equivalent faculty?
    • Are many faculty hired with no college degree?
    • Are such faculty less able to serve students in the many areas supported by faculty?
the con
The Con
  • Will classes truly be canceled because we cannot find faculty with six years experience and an associate degree?
  • Will this affect new program startups?
  • Will this affect noncredit or other qualifications where an AA/AS equivalent is allowed?
the unanswered
The Unanswered
  • What other questions do we need to be asking?
  • What other constituent groups will be interested in this?
  • Are there more effective ways to promote improvement that will have less disruptive impact?
the addendum
The Addendum
  • Recent changes to Title 5 §53410 provided for a new category of minimum qualifications.
  • This allows for Bachelor’s and associate degree qualifications that are specific to the discipline area.
  • The new list will include original lists plus a new combined list. (is being finalized right now)
the disciplines list the old
The Disciplines List – The Old
  • Is two separate lists
    • Disciplines requiring a Master’s Degree
    • Disciplines in which a Master’s Degree is not generally expected or available in that specific discipline (requires any degree)
  • Included qualifications for “Others” as detailed directly in Title 5
  • Did not provide for a state-wide minimum qualification of a Bachelor’s degree
the disciplines list the new
The Disciplines List – The New
  • Discipline qualifications are now organized into three main groups
    • Disciplines requiring a Master’s Degree
    • Disciplines where a Master’s degree is not normally expected but a Bachelor’s or Associate degree is expected
    • Disciplines in which a Master’s, Bachelor’s or Associate Degree is not generally expected or available in that specific discipline (requires any degree)
    • Disciplines for non-credit instruction
    • Other – to include Administrators, Learning Center Coordinators, Health Services Professionals, Apprenticeship Instructors, DSP&S Counselors, Work Experience Coordinators, Faculty Interns, EOPS