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“Take me to your leader!”. Who takes the decisions in the Church of England and in the Methodist Church?. Who’s in charge in your church?. Bishop? Your Vicar? The Minister? The Stewards? The congregation? An unelected elite? …God?. Communal. Personal. Collegial. A Group or Team.

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take me to your leader

“Take me to your leader!”

Who takes the decisions in the Church of England and in the Methodist Church?

who s in charge in your church
Who’s in charge in your church?
  • Bishop?
  • Your Vicar?
  • The Minister?
  • The Stewards?
  • The congregation?
  • An unelected elite?
  • …God?
in a healthy church

Communal

Personal

Collegial

A Group or Team

An Individual

Everyone

In a healthy church

Responsibility for the life and mission of the church will have three aspects

every denomination
Every denomination

has these three aspects ofleadership or oversight

(The churchy word is “episcopé”)

But they show up in different ways

the methodist church

Chairman of District

District Synod

Communal

Personal

Collegial

Circuit Leadership Team

Minister

Minister + Stewards

Church Meeting

The Methodist Church

CONFERENCE

SuperintendentMinister

Circuit Meeting

Salmon = most influence

Green = less influence

Thick border = primary responsibility

the church of england

Archbishop

House of Bishops

General Synod

Diocesan Synod

Communal

Personal

Collegial

Rural Dean

Chapter

Deanery Synod

PCC

The Church of England

Bishop

Incumbent

Salmon = most influence

Green = less influence

Thick border = primary responsibility

what a contrast

Communal

Personal

Collegial

Methodists on the left

Church of England on the right

What a contrast!
cut out the less influential

Communal

Personal

Collegial

Methodists on the left

Church of England on the right

Cut out the ‘less influential’

There’s no ‘opposite number’ at any level for anyone to talk to!

in short
In short:
  • Conference and General Synod have similarities but
    • The Church of England is not a Connexion
    • The House of Bishops has a significant role outside Synod
  • Dioceses, where power and resources mostly lie, find that Districts are relatively insignificant
  • Circuits, where responsibility and decision-making mostly lie, find that Deaneries have little to do
  • In Parishes and local Methodist churches the culture is markedly different:
    • The incumbent has a personal responsibility – ‘the cure of souls’
    • In the local Methodist church, the ‘itinerant’ minister works collegially with the Stewards
practical realities
Practical realities

What Anglicans decide at diocesan level,

Methodists decide at circuit level

or else

at the level of the whole Connexion

so who do they talk to
So who do they talk to?
  • The diocesan bishops and their resource people ... ?
  • The superintendent minister and the circuit stewards ... ?
  • The incumbent and the Methodist church stewards ... ?
  • What adjustments must we all make to allow joint planning and joint decision-making?
we know there are many things we can and should be doing jointly
We know there are many things we can and should be doing jointly

What new mechanisms do we both need to deal with the mismatch

and start planning mission together?