Ham – Nye Debate. “Bill Nye might have felt some moral obligation to debate the question, since he had launched a unilateral attack on creationist parents in a video that went viral last year. In that video, Nye told creationist parents:
“Bill Nye might have felt some moral obligation to debate the question, since he had launched a unilateral attack on creationist parents in a video that went viral last year. In that video, Nye told creationist parents:
‘If you want to deny evolution and live in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine, but don’t make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can---we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems”
“The central question of the debate was this: “Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern scientific era?” Ham stuck to the question tenaciously. Nye, on the other hand, tried to personalize the debate and kept changing the question from creation to ‘Ken Ham’s creationism.’ Ham was unfazed, and kept to his argument.” (Al Mohler.com, blog, Feb. 5, 2014)
“Nye’s main presentation contained a clear rejection of biblical Christianity. At several points in the debate, he dismissed the Bible’s account of Noah and the ark as unbelievable. Oddly, he even made this a major point in his most lengthy argument…Those portions of the debate (about fossils and ice rods) did not advance the arguments much past where they were left in the late 19th century, with both sides attempting to keep score by rocks and fossils”
“In this light, the debate proved both sides right on one central point: If you agreed with Bill Nye you would agree with his reading of the evidence. The same was equally true for those who entered the room agreeing with Ken Ham; they would agree with his interpretation of the evidence.”
“…they do not live in the same intellectual world. Nye is truly committed to a materialistic and naturalistic worldview. Ham is an evangelical Christian committed to the authority of the Bible. The clash of ultimate worldview questions was vividly displayed for all to see” (Mohler)
“Ken Ham is a Young Earth Creationist (as am I), but the larger argument was over worldviews, and the debate revealed the direct collision between evolution and the recognition of any historical authority within Genesis 1-11. As if to make that clear, in making one of his closing arguments, Bill Nye actually went back to cite ‘this problem of the ark (of Noah).’ …The ark is not the real problem; autonomous human reason is.”
“As it turns out, the reality and authority of divine revelation, more than any other issue, was what the debate last night was all about. As the closing statements made very clear, Ken Ham understood that fact, but Bill Nye did not”
“The central issue last night was really not the age of the earth or the claims of modern science. The questions was not really about the ark or sediment layers or fossils. It was about the central worldview clash of our times, and of any time: the clash between the worldview of the self-declared ‘reasonable man’ and the worldview of the sinner saved by grace” (Mohler, pg. 5)
The Table of Nations
The Sons of Noah – 3 ‘Races’
6The sons of Ham were Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan.
6 The sons of Ham were(4)
Cush - the same name as the Biblical name ‘Ethiopia’
Mizraim - the ancestors of the Egyptians and is the customary name for Egypt in the Bible; Egypt is also called ‘the land of Ham’ (Psalm 105:23, etc.), and some suggest that the semi-legendary founder of Egypt’s first dynasty, Menes, was the same as Mizraim
Put - Put in the Bible is the same as Libya, applied to the region of North Africa west of Egypt. This identification is confirmed by Josephus.
Canaan - the ancestor of the Canaanites, living in the land of Canaan---Biblical Palestine---before the Exodus of Moses, and the conquest by Joshua. (Morris, p. 250)
7The sons of Cush were Seba and Havilah and Sabtah and Raamah and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamahwere Sheba and Dedan.
8Now Cush became the father of Nimrod; hebecame a mighty one on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.”
Q: Was Nimrod a ‘mighty hunter’ of animals, or of men (‘a mighty warrior’)?
“If the expression ‘a mighty hunter’ relates primarily to hunting in the literal sense, we must add to the literal meaning the figurative signification of a ‘hunter of men’ (‘a trapper of men by stratagem and force,’); Nimrod the hunter became a tyrant, a powerful hunter of men. This course of life gave occasion to the proverb, ‘like Nimrod, a mighty hunter against the Lord,’ which immortalized not his skill in hunting beasts, but the success of his hunting of men in the establishment of an imperial kingdom by tyranny and power” (K & D, p. 166)
Q: Could the proverb be translated ‘in the face of Jehovah’ – in defiance of Jehovah?
Yes. The proverb must have arisen when other daring and rebellious men followed in Nimrod’s footsteps, and must have originated with those who saw in such conduct an act of rebellion against the God of salvation, in other words, with the possessors of the divine promises of grace (K & D, p. 166)
“This view of Nimrod and his deeds is favored by the Eastern legend, which not only makes him the builder of the tower of Babel, which was to reach to heaven, but has also placed him among the constellations of heaven as a heaven-storming giant, who was chained by God in consequence” (K & D, p. 166 footnote)
“He was powerful in hunting and in wickedness before the Lord, for he was a hunter of the sons of men, and he said to them, ‘Depart from the judgment of the Lord, and adhere to the judgment of Nimrod!’ Therefore it is said: “As Nimrod the strong one, strong in hunting, and in wickedness before the Lord.” ” (Jerusalem Targum, quoted in Morris, p. 252)
Q: Could the reference to Nimrod as a ‘mighty hunter’ have begun as a hunter of vicious, wild animals, which multiplied over the earth after the Flood, and threatened the lives of mankind?
Q: But wasn’t the ‘fear and dread’ of mankind upon the animals? (Gen. 9:2)
Yes, but the deliberate hunting and slaughter of them could have provided Nimrod with his great reputation.
10 The beginning of his kingdom was Babel and Erech and Accad and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
11 From that land he went forth into Assyria, and built Nineveh and Rehoboth-Ir and Calah, 12 and Resen between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city.
Babel – (Gen. 11:4, 8, 9) formed the capital city of the region, and Nimrod became the King
Erech - (Uruk) is 100 miles southeast of Babylon, the home of the legendary Gilgamesh, hero of the Babylonian flood story; its excavation yielded examples of ancient writing, long antedating the time of Abraham
Accad – immediately north of Babylon (Akkad or Agade) which later became the Akkadian empire (also the Sumerian empire)
Calneh, in the land of Shinar- unidentified as yet
11 From that land he went forth into Assyria, and built Nineveh and Rehoboth-Ir and Calah, 12 and Resen between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city.
13 Mizraimbecame the father of Ludim and Anamim and Lehabim and Naphtuhim14 and Pathrusim and Casluhim (from which came the Philistines) and Caphtorim.
Secular writings place the origin of the Philistines on the island of Crete, and identify Caphtor as Crete. It seems probably that these two sons of Mizraim, ancestors of the Casluhim and Caphtorim, kept their families together, later migrating to Crete and still later, in successive waves, to the eastern shore of the Mediterranean to the land later know as Philistia [Southwestern Palestine, along the Mediterranean Sea]
(Morris, p. 254)
15 Canaan became the father of Sidon, his firstborn, and Heth
16 and the Jebusite and the Amorite and the Girgashite17 and the Hivite and the Arkite and the Sinite18 and the Arvadite and the Zemarite and the Hamathite; and afterward the families of the Canaanite were spread abroad.
The other 9 sons of Canaan were the progenitors of the Canaanite tribes that inhabited the land when the Israelites arrived (recorded in Exodus – Joshua)
Jebusite – descended from Jebus, an early inhabitant of Jerusalem (Joshua 15:63)
Amorite – one of the most prominent tribes (Gen. 15:16); these tribes were all sometimes called the ‘Amurru’
Girgashite - often mentioned, but the location is unknown
Hivite– archaeologically found from Sidon to Jerusalem
Arkite– centered around Tell Arka in Syria
Sinite - “The Sinites are intriguing. It is possible that they may have been an insignificant Canaanite tribe, but the similarity of the name to other Biblical names (the wilderness of Sin, Mount Sinai, Sinim) suggests that their influence may have been greater than commonly realized
Arvadite– they lived in Arvad, a port city of the Phoenicians
Zemarite - 6 miles south of Arvad, in a down identified in the Amarna letters as Sumur, and known today as Sumra
Hamathite – the Syrian city of Hamath, mentioned frequently in the Bible
18b - “and afterward the families of the Canaanite were spread abroad.”
19 The territory of the Canaanite extended from Sidon as you go toward Gerar, as far as Gaza; as you go toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.
20 These are the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, by their nations.
Ham’s descendants are summarized, as Japheth’s had been, by the statement these were grouped by ‘families, tongues, countries, and nations.’
21 Also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, and the older brother of Japheth, children were born.
Q: Who are the “Children of Eber?”(21Also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, and the older brother of Japheth, children were born)
A: The Hebrews
Abraham is a “Hebrew” (Gen. 14:13), indicating he was a descendant of ‘Eber’
It is applied to a larger group than just to the descendants of Abraham
Q: Why does Shem not mention Ham, just Japheth?
Q: Is the KJV wrong in translating this ‘the brother of Japheth the elder’?
Q: Is the NIV wrong in translating this ‘whose older brother was Japheth’?
Q: Is the NASB correct when it translates “Shem, the elder brother of Japheth”? Genesis 6:10 and 7:13 list Shem, Ham, and Japheth’, apparently in the order of birth. The NASB is probably the correct reading (although it makes a footnote of the other translation – ‘the brother of Japheth the elder’)
Q: Is there some reason to believe that Japheth was the older of the three sons of Noah?
Perhaps. Shem was born 97 years before the Flood (Genesis 5:32 “Noah was 500 years old, and Noah became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth”; and 11:10 “Shem was 100 years old, and became the father of Arpachshad two years after the flood”).
But Noah is said to have begat the first of his three sons 100 years before the Flood, when he was 500 years old, but it also just says he has all three sons at that time, and lists Shem first (Genesis 5:32 with 7:11)
Q: Were the three sons triplets?
22 The sons of Shem were (5) Elam and Asshur and Arpachshad and Lud and Aram.
22 The sons of Shem were (5)
Elam – the ancestor of the Elaimites; Chedorlaomer, King of Elam, was the apparent leader of the confederacy which invaded Canaan during the days of Abram (Gen. 14:4-5); Susa, or Sushan, east of Mesopotamia, was their capital, and they apparently later merged with the Medes (descendants of Madai, son Japheth, to form the Persian empire) (Morris, p.258)
Asshur– the founder of the Assyrians; but Nimrod and his followers invaded, and founded Nineveh (Gen. 10:11); the culture was a mixture of Semitic racial stock, and Hamitic (Babylonian) culture, language and religion.
Arphaxad – he was in the direct line leading to Abraham; a region of Assyria known as Arrapachitis may stem from his name.
Lud – perhaps the ancestor of the Lydians, in Asia Minor (Rev. 2-3; in the Seven Churches of Asia, near Sardis)
Aram - father of the Aramaeans, the same as the Syrians; these people became a great nation, even finally seeing their Aramaic language adopted as almost the lingua franca for the leading nations of the ancient world, including Assyria and Babyonia. Some portions of Daniel and Ezra were written in Aramaic, and it was commonly spoken among the Jews at the time of Christ.
23 The sons of Aram wereUz and Hul and Gether and Mash. 24 Arpachshadbecame the father of Shelah; and Shelahbecame the father of Eber.
23 The sons of Aram– 4 sons of Aram are listed, whilenone of the descendants of 3 of Shem’s sons are even named; the children of Aram probably had more contact with the descendants of Abraham
Uz - apparently in Arabia, the homeland of Job (Job 1:1; Jeremiah 25:20)
Hul, Gether, and Mash are unknown, but apparently important during the times from Shem to Moses
24Arpachshadbecame the father of Shelah; and Shelahbecame the father of Eber.
24 Arpachshad became the father of Shelah– and nothing else is known about him except that he is in the line of Christ, the promised Seed; he may have more than one son, but only Shelah is listed. And only one son of Shelah is listed, Eber, because of the significance of the Hebrew people, the Jews, who came from this line.
and Shelah became the father of Eber– Eber = Hebrew, the people of Abraham
25 Two sons were born to Eber; the name of the one wasPeleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name wasJoktan.
Q: What does ‘division’ or ‘divided’ mean?
Q: Does it mean the language division at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11)?
Q: Does it mean the earth was divided into continents?
Genesis 10:5 ‘By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations”
Genesis 10:32 “…by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood”
These verses seem clearly to refer to a linguistic and geographical division, rather than to an actual splitting of the continents. This is especially clear in verse 5, where the division is specifically ‘after his tongue’ (Morris, p. 260)
If Peleg was born soon after the Dispersion at Babel, it is not surprising that Eber would commemorate such a momentous event in the name of his son
“Some have suggested that the continents (with their loads of flood-deposited, fossil-bearing strata) separated to their present position, for example, at the time of the Tower of Babel, because Genesis 10:25 says ‘the earth was divided’ in the days of Peleg. However, the Hebrew word translated ‘the earth’ can as easily refer to the people (or nations) divided because of Babel. Also, the heat energy to be dissipated, not to mention the destruction at the earth’s surface that would result from rapid continent-wide motion. This would be a global catastrophe as devastating as the Noahic Flood itself” (Ken Ham, The Revised & Expanded Answers Book, Answers in Genesis, p. 167, footnote 11)
“If it is ever actually proved that the earth once was a single land mass that somehow split apart, with the segments gradually drifting away to form the present continents, then indeed this verse might be understood to refer to such an event. At present, the question of continental drift is still open among scientists; and creationist scientists have pointed to a number of unresolved physical difficulties with the whole idea…
“It is just possible, however, that the great store of energy beneath the earth’s crust, much of which was released when the ‘fountains of the deep’ were ‘broken up’ at the time of the Flood, provided the tremendous force needed to move continents apart, and that a further release of this energy took place in connection with the Tower of Babel” (Morris, The Genesis Record, p. 261)
However, Dr. Henry Morris later wrote:
“…I am convinced that Genesis 10:25 should not be understood to imply that "In the days of Peleg the Atlantic Ocean opened up." This would have caused devastation comparable to Noah's Flood, and the Bible has no mention of it. If the continents separated, they did so during Noah's Flood.” (Dr. Henry Morris, Institute of Creation Research, http://www.icr.org/article/1122/ )
26Joktanbecame the father of Almodad and Sheleph and Hazarmaveth and Jerah27 and Hadoram and Uzal and Diklah28 andObaland Abimael and Sheba 29 and Ophir and Havilah and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 Now theirsettlementextended from Mesha as you go toward Sephar, the hill country of the east.
31 These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, according to their nations.