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Please could someone volunteer to be a minutes/ notes taker

  • Agenda
  • 1. Apologies
  • 2. Minutes (matters arising will be at the end)
  • 3. A New SRE(MG) ASM
  • 4. Review Ass Cat route to Stage 1 BGA MGIR Tappo
  • 5. Lists
  • Issues Requested Pete Stratten, Dick Cole, Paul Whitehead, George Ross Glider navigation training – Don Irving (after lunch)
  • 7. Report from CAA CPL examiners’ seminar ASM
  • 8. 2007 Accidents & Incidents ASM
  • 9. You Are In Control Dave Cockburn
  • Lunch
  • 10. Lesson Comparison Everyone
  • 11. Example of a good passenger brief ASM
  • 12. EASA Licence developments Pete S
  • 13. AOB/ Matters Arising ASM
  • 14. Feedback Everyone

These are the notes used for the 2007 BGA Motor Glider Examiners’ Seminar at Hus Bos on 17th Nov.

It reads best if run as a Slide Show.

Underlined items link to individual sections.

Clicking on the BGA logo always brfings you back to this page.

A Home button appears at the end of each section: this also brings you back here.

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Apologies

Paul Whitehead

Chris Marren

Don Irving

Alan Wrigley

Andy Aveling

John Garrett

Present …………………………..

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MINUTES OF A BGA MGIR EXAMINERS SEMINAR HELD AT THE SOARING CENTRE ON 18 NOV 2006

Present:

Bruce Tapson Buckminster GC & BGA SRE SLMG Chairman

Chris Heames Services

Mike Cater The Soaring Centre

Richard Cole Yorkshire GC

Eric Boyle Derby & Lancs GC

John Marriott Bicester GC

Colin Sword Borders GC

Les Merritt Buckminster GC

Don Lees Cambridge GC

Don Ward Cambridge GC

Andrew Roch London GC

Graham Morris Bristol & Gloucester GC

Andy Miller Bannerdown GC Secretary

Apologies:

Patrick Naegeli

Don Irving

John Garrett

Andy Mason

1. Minutes of Last Meeting. The minutes of the meeting held at the Soaring Centre on 22 Oct 2005 were reviewed and agreed.

2. Matters Arising.

The Association Executive had not agreed to two requests for the BGA Falke.

- Reducing the insurance qualification required for solo.

- Updating the instrument fit to support the BGA Coaching.

Training opportunities on this aircraft would thus continue to be limited.

The Association’s Motor Glider Handbook is now on the BGA web site.

3. Recorded Accidents. The accidents during 2006 were reviewed; they fell into 2 groups: ground handling problems and failures to take over during the landing phase.

4. Seminar Discussion. Supervision issues arising from the accident record were discussed in groups:

- Right Hand Seat flying by pilots with no relevant instructor category.

- Visits by powered aircraft at winch only sites

- Proposals to base motor gliders at sites that have previously not hosted powered aircraft.

AM undertook to produce amendments for the BGA Motor Glider Handbook based on feedback from the discussion. A particular issue would be:

- Equipment and documentation needed for a site proposing to introduce a motor glider.

5. BGA Motor Glider Falke Issues

Flight Reference Cards (FRCs). BT introduced the improved FRCs that have been introduced for use in the BGA Falke.

Use in 2007. There is a possibility that the Association will base the aircraft at a central club in order to maximize it’s use.

Trial Lessons. Motor Gliders are increasingly being used for trial lessons. The considerations for this activity are the same as those for conventional gliding.

Constant Speed Prop Training. Difference training can be carried out by Class Rating Instructors and CAA MG IRs.

6. “Into The Future”.

Training, BGA administration and forms are now all increasingly web based.

MC introduced a proposal for the navigation element of the Cross Country Endorsement to be strengthened. This rapidly gained unanimous agreement.

Andy Miller

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CAA XMG Seminar Arrending: broadly the same bunch

1. Minutes of Last Meeting. The minutes of the meeting held at the Soaring Centre on 19 Feb 2005 were reviewed and agreed. There were no matters arising.

2. Feedback From CAA Seminar. BT had been invited to attend the CAA’s annual seminar of CPL examiners but had not been free on the date; AM attended instead and reported to the meeting. This report is attached.

Secretary’s Note: The next 3 agenda items had been fully covered during the Meeting of BGA MGIR examiners during the morning.

Recorded Accidents to Motor Gliders in 2006

Discussion of Motor Glider Supervision

BGA MG Flight Reference Cards

3. NPPL Instructor Notes BT had previously produced a basic set of MG instructor notes and circulated them on CD. He is now developing a proposed NPPL Instructor Patter Manual. Further advice is contained in:

Flight Intructors Manual RD Campbell

Pilot’s Work Book Pre-Flight Briefings (Aeroplane) Pooleys

The Flying Instructors Patter Manual Peter Phillips & Bob Cole

4. Into The Future BT hoped to be able to encourage the use of ATC MG instructors.

Andy Miller

Notes From The FIE/FE(CPL) Standardisation Meeting Held At Kidlington On 12 Oct 2006

These are not the official minutes, just my own impressions.

Setting The Scene

- This seminar is an annual event. I had previously attended for a couple of years while a TMG examiner.

- Attendance was about 60, mostly middle aged white males. Some employees at Kidlington and other full time schools, some senior members of flying clubs and others, like me, with day jobs. The small number of females is slowly increasing – good.

- About half a dozen CAA staff examiners were there, some in the audience, some running it.

- It was generally assumed that everyone knew everyone else; speakers’ introductions were often by Christian name. The chairman had such a light touch that I could not work out if there was one.

CPL Skill Test Statistics & Standards

- 821 tests done during 05-06; 1438 during 04-05; don’t know if this is a trend.

- NOTAMS were generally extremely poorly done

- The Authority wants testers to focus on pre-flight preparation during next year.

Stalling

Topic presented by David “?” from Old Sarum. He criticised a note in GASIL about stalling.

Both were in response to a recent fatal accident where an instructor was in the habit of teaching to hold the wing level with rudder deep into the stall. This had led to a flick and thus the fatality.

David asserted that, at the stall, rudder should be used to deal with sideslip. This met with far from universal approval. There was no vote taken after the debate, but the mood of the meeting was that using the rudder to stop further yaw was OK, using it to deal with a wing drop most certainly was not. David retired, muttering.

MPL

- “Multi Pilot Licence”, I think. It’s a European licence, coming into being about now.

Some background from Andy.

This licence is intended to train airline pilots from scratch, in contrast to the present system which trains for single pilot operations, culminating in the one armed paper hanger act that is the CPL skills test. Neophytes must then undergo a Multi Crew Cooperation course and Line Oriented Flying Training to adjust themselves to the airline environment. A large proportion of this new licence will be done in a simulator and the course will use airline SOPs right from the start – thus each course will be associated with a specific airline. Lufthansa are very keen and want it in yesterday; the German LBA (CAA) are much less enthusiastic.

Pat Lander – Chairman of the Examiners’ Panel, I think – raised three issues.

- Competency Based Training. They are not quite sure what this is. I suspect that it involves, rather than stipulating a course of “X” hours, specifying, instead, the skills that a candidate must master. Rather like the UK gliding movement has always done.

- Threat & Error Management. Again, they are not sure what this is, although general consensus translated this as a new name for airmanship.

- They had intended that a PPL be embedded in the course, but are not, now, so sure.

TMG/ SLMG/ Microlights

Steve Oddy’s brief.

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This year, BGA & CAA issues combined.

Rough division: before lunch: looking backwards, after lunch: looking forwards.

Please, some help with the terms as you discuss MG instructing issues in your clubs:

BGA MGIR

3 Stages/ details in Laws & Rules

CAA MGIR

Just a single flavour/ details in LASORS

(I have some weeding to do!)

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This year, BGA & CAA issues combined.

Rough division: before lunch: looking backwards, after lunch: looking forwards.

Please, some help with the terms as you discuss MG instructing issues in your clubs:

BGA MGIR

3 Stages/ details in Laws & Rules

CAA MGIR

Just a single flavour/ details in LASORS

(I have some weeding to do!)

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A New SRE(MG)

Aspirations:

  • 1. Keep this already excellent show on the road.
  • Avoid the situation the Juniors found themselves in after the fatal photographer accident.
  • Consolidate record keeping & the flood of information.
  • Develop something like an FAQs section of BGA web site.
  • 5. Develop MG patter notes
  • Improve AC liaison
  • plus… one I hadn’t realised:
  • CAA MGIR course
  • being reactive:
  • Licencing issues
  • Examiner appointments/ renewals/ revalidations
  • BGA Motor Glider Handbook
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A New SRE(MG)

Aspirations:

  • 1. Keep this already excellent show on the road.
  • Avoid the situation the Juniors found themselves in after the fatal photographer accident.
  • Consolidate record keeping & the flood of information.
  • Develop something like an FAQs section of BGA web site.
  • 5. Develop MG patter notes
  • Improve AC liaison
  • plus… one I hadn’t realised:
  • CAA MGIR course
  • being reactive:
  • Licencing issues
  • Examiner appointments/ renewals/ revalidations
  • BGA Motor Glider Handbook
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CAA MGIR course

LASORS

H9.1 MGIR GENERAL INFORMATION

…………………….

The fundamental difference between an Instructors Rating (MGIR), and the equivalent SEP or TMG Class Rating is that there is no Flying Instructors Course (FIC) for the SLMG. ……………………….

In 2008 will read:

The fundamental difference between an MGIR and the equivalent SEP or TMG Class Rating is that there is no CAA approved course for the MGIR.  The rating is issued by the CAA on the recommendation of the BGA and is separate from all other CAA issued FIRs.  This (also) is managed by the Association’s SRE(MG).”

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CAA MGIR course

The Plan ………. ?

1 x 4 day groundschool each winter (perhaps Feb 2008)

then…

2 day/ 4hour flying packages with pairs of candidates

In either their own club’s MG or mine

There is an alternative !

The holder of a JAA SEP FI rating needs only differences training.

AIC 3/2004 (White 92)

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Laws & Rules

BGA Standards 15.5

Tappo introduced a review of the provision to allow an Ass Cat route to Stage 1 BGA MGIR.

No one had found any snags whatsoever.

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Lists ?

PFA

How many SLMG NPPLs have been issued in the past year?

How many SSEA & Microlight licences in the past year?

CAA

TMG & SLMG examiners

BGA

MG examiners

BGA Motor Glider Examiners' Seminar 2007

Examining Qualifications

Please use the exact abbreviation or term used in your licence

Tick the box at the end if everything is correct; change anything that is not. Help your self to the other side of this sheet

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From: Pete Stratten

NPLG is concerned that a number of applications are coming through with poorly prepared paperwork (I stress this is a general issue, not SLMG specific, and is certainly something the JAR PPL applications suffer too). As the BGA is pretty much left to look after SLMG training, I thought this might be something we could focus on in any winter 07 seminars that might occur?

We might be able to find someone who could take a close look at the paperwork to discover whether that might be officially modified to reduce the error risk.

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Paul Whitehead

I have done a couple of NSTs recently, both of which resulted in failures.  Neither candidate was using the clock\stopwatch in anything other than an superficial mannner, certainly not as a vital navigation aid.  I can only conclude that the instructors who forward these candidates are not aware of the techniques themselves.  I might say the same of the nav log which we are required to submit with the paperwork - neither knew anything about it.  Incidently, both guys also displayed handling errors which would have failed the GST.  Again, why are the instructors submitting these people early?

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From Dick Cole:

I've just got Paul's note re. tests.  Most of the tests that we get up here are 'cross-overs' such as GPL to NPPL SLMG and micro-lite people.  I agree with Paul

.  The bottom line is that we must not let standards slip, and must insist on correct basic handling, navigation and airmanship tecniques throughout our training system.

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Notes From A CAA Seminar For CPL FEs & FIEs Held

Oxford 11 Oct 2007

Chair Bill McLeod

Organiser Steve Oddy

New head of PLD: Ben Alcott (an engineer not a pilot!) replaces Graham Forbes

EASA

General bemusement/ resentment

FI Standards

Gloomy

Focus For 2008

Flight preparation – NOTAMS etc

NATS

infringements, mostly nav error

Airprox 048/06

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These records were retrieved from the UK CAA Mandatory Occurrence Reporting (MOR) system by a member of the SIDD Department

The MOR system records include information reported to the CAA, information obtained from CAA investigations, and deductions by CAA staff based on the available information. The authenticity of the contents or the absence of errors and omissions cannot be guaranteed. Records in this system commenced on 1 January 1976 coincident with the introduction of Mandatory Occurrence Reporting in the UK, but occurrences reported voluntarily are also included, and no distinction is made between them.

Note: Any data provided from these records are made available on the understanding that they are only to be used for purposes of Flight Safety and must not be used for other purposes.

Self Launching Motor Gliders (SLMG) and Touring Motor Gliders (TMG) occurrences

PERIOD : Oct 2006 – Sep 2007

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A/C Type :Scheibe SF25 Falke Occurrence Number :200702679

Flight Phase :Cruise Occurrence Date :27 Mar 2007

Location :Dortmund Events :Airprox – Foreign

A319 on approach and a motor glider at 3000ft at Dortmund. Approach discontinued. Further approach and landing carried out without incident.

Subject to investigation by the German Authorities.

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A/C Type :Scheibe SF25 Falke Occurrence Number :200702679

Flight Phase :Cruise Occurrence Date :27 Mar 2007

Location :Dortmund Events :Airprox – Foreign

A319 on approach and a motor glider at 3000ft at Dortmund. Approach discontinued. Further approach and landing carried out without incident.

Subject to investigation by the German Authorities.

A/C Type :Fournier RF4D Occurrence Number :200704992

Flight Phase :Unknown Occurrence Date :23 May 2007

Location :Southampton (SAM)Events : Airspace Infringement

Location Info :4 W

Infringement of the Southampton CTA (Class D) by two motor gliders. Standard separation maintained.

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A/C Type :Fournier RF4D Occurrence Number :200704992

Flight Phase :Unknown Occurrence Date :23 May 2007

Location :Southampton (SAM)Events : Airspace Infringement

Location Info :4 W

Infringement of the Southampton CTA (Class D) by two motor gliders. Standard separation maintained.

A/C Type :Pik 20E Occurrence Number :200706630

Flight Phase :Flight Occurrence Date :08 Jul 2007

Location :Cranfield (CIT) Events :UK Airprox

Location Info :4 SWUK

AIRPROX 97/2007 - PIK 20B Motor Glider and C560, 4nm Southwest of Cranfield at 4100ft.

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A/C Type :Pik 20E Occurrence Number :200706630

Flight Phase :Flight Occurrence Date :08 Jul 2007

Location :Cranfield (CIT) Events :UK Airprox

Location Info :4 SWUK

AIRPROX 97/2007 - PIK 20B Motor Glider and C560, 4nm Southwest of Cranfield at 4100ft.

A/C Type :Grob G109 Occurrence Number :200706454

Flight Phase :Landing Occurrence Date :11 Jul 2007

Location :Tibenham Events :Loss of A/c Control Runway Excursion Windshear / Gusts

Aircraft departed runway and into long grass following loss of control due to wind gust during landing roll. Wheel spats, nose cone and propeller damaged.

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A/C Type :Grob G109 Occurrence Number :200706454

Flight Phase :Landing Occurrence Date :11 Jul 2007

Location :Tibenham Events :Loss of A/c Control Runway Excursion Windshear / Gusts

Aircraft departed runway and into long grass following loss of control due to wind gust during landing roll. Wheel spats, nose cone and propeller damaged.

A/C Type :Grob G109 Occurrence Number :200706622

Flight Phase :Cruise Occurrence Date :17 Jul 2007

Location :Romsey Events : Airspace Infringement

Infringement of the Southampton CTR (Class D) by a Grob 109 (believed), squawking 7000 at 1800ft. Standard separation maintained.

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A/C Type :Grob G109 Occurrence Number :200706622

Flight Phase :Cruise Occurrence Date :17 Jul 2007

Location :Romsey Events : Airspace Infringement

Infringement of the Southampton CTR (Class D) by a Grob 109 (believed), squawking 7000 at 1800ft. Standard separation maintained.

A/C Type :Glider Occurrence Number :200706755

Flight Phase :Circuit Occurrence Date :19 Jul 2007

Location :Compton Abbas Events :UK Airprox (non ATC related)

UK AIRPROX 100/2007 - Glider and a military a/c at 3800ft overhead Compton Abbas.

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A/C Type :Glider Occurrence Number :200706755

Flight Phase :Circuit Occurrence Date :19 Jul 2007

Location :Compton Abbas Events :UK Airprox (non ATC related)

UK AIRPROX 100/2007 - Glider and a military a/c at 3800ft overhead Compton Abbas.

A/C Type :Scheibe SF25 Falke Occurrence Number :200707081

Flight Phase :Cruise Occurrence Date :28 Jul 2007

Location :Southampton (SAM) Events : Airspace Infringement

Infringement of the Southampton CTR (Class D) by an SF25 at 1900ft. Standard separation maintained.

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A/C Type :Scheibe SF25 Falke Occurrence Number :200707081

Flight Phase :Cruise Occurrence Date :28 Jul 2007

Location :Southampton (SAM) Events : Airspace Infringement

Infringement of the Southampton CTR (Class D) by an SF25 at 1900ft. Standard separation maintained.

A/C Type :Scheibe SF25 Number :200707489

Flight Phase :Initial Climb Occurrence Date :02 Aug 2007

Location :Syerston Events :Engine Fire / Overheat / Smoke

Fumes in cockpit during climb. Aircraft returned. Engine coolant leak onto exhaust due to radiator chafing on oil cooler following failure of radiator bottom mounting support brackets

Both support brackets had sheared allowing radiator to fret against oil cooler during previous flight. Reporter confirmed that there was no evidence of a radiator problem during first flight of day check. Engineer reportedly confirmed that this is a known problem on type.

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A/C Type :Motor Glider Occurrence Number :200707348

Flight Phase :Taxy Occurrence Date :03 Aug 2007

Classification :UK Reportable Accident Location :Honington

Schleicher Ash26E collided with parked Grob 109.

Substantial damage to both a/c. No injury. Subject to BGA investigation.

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A/C Type :Motor Glider Occurrence Number :200707348

Flight Phase :Taxy Occurrence Date :03 Aug 2007

Classification :UK Reportable Accident Location :Honington

Schleicher Ash collided with parked Grob 109. Substantial damage to both a/c. No injury to one POB Schleicher. Subject to BGA investigation.

The Other Honington Accident

Astir on aerotow take off veered into a parked Grob 109b.

Overall result: Gliders 2

RAFGSA Centre’s Grobs 0

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Ximango Undershoot At Lasham

… from the CFI’s report:

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You Are In Control

Dave Cockburn

CAA GA Safety Promotion

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You Are In Control

Dave Cockburn

CAA GA Safety Promotion

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Lesson Comparison

  • RD Campbell Flight Instructors’ Manual
  • J Halstead & A Newton Instructional Techniques On-Track AviationFor The Flight Instructor
  • 3 Air Cadets Instructors Manual
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Passenger Brief

For PPL flying, you should tailor your passenger’s briefings to suit their flying experience. Below are suggestions for points to cover/consider. Those marked in red italics are compulsory points that must be included:

Pre-boarding briefing:

Brief explanation of what a Motor Glider is (e.g. reassure about performance and visible focus on safety/system checks; e.g. “I will refer to check lists, this is not because I do not know what to cover but just to ensure that I am thorough in my preparation at all times”);

Advise on danger of propellers;

Advise on how to open the canopy;

Advise on how to get in (e.g. where to place hands and feet, what not to touch).

Once seated:

Help them to strap in…………………………………………………………………. “Are you comfortable; straps OK?”

Advise on what not to touch…

“I must check that your hand and feet are clear of the controls Please keep them clear.”

Advise on how to make themselves more comfortable… “Here is how to get fresh air … and warm air.”

Advise on evacuation procedure…

“In the event that we need to vacate the aircraft quickly, I must check that you know how to:

- undo your straps

- open the canopy normally

- and open it if the normal control is jammed.”

Brief on purpose of the flight..…. “We must make sure that we are going flying with the same aim in mind (eg going to look at xxx village; off for a local bimble; practicing stall recoveries, etc). If at any time during the flight you feel uncomfortable, let me know and I will land as soon as is practical.”

After Engine start/avionics on and before taxy:

Check that you can communicate clearly….

“We must check that your headset is comfortable and that we can hear each other OK”

Double check that they are clear of the controls.

Make sure you warn them before you test the controls (to avoid slamming the stick into them).

Point out the engine noise and advise them that variations in engine tone are typical and to be expected at various stages during the flight (e.g. climb, cruise, descent).

Ask them to help with LOOKOUT and ask them if they have any questions.

Full advice on passenger briefing can be found in the CAA’s Safety Sense Leaflet No2: ‘Passengers’

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AOB

Matters Arising

Glider navigation training – Don Irving

Date Of Next Meeting

Next year… Examining feedback

Regulatory changes

Location – split?

Feedback from this Seminar

Sort Out This Room

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Cross-Country Endorsement: Navigation Training

We are getting lost?

We are Infringing Controlled Airspace?

What Can We Do About It?

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Proposal

  • Stage 1
  • Immediately Before / After First Solo
  • Local Airspace Test
  • Expanded Rules of the Air Test
  • Stage 2
  • XC Navigation Training
  • Formalise Training
  • Teach Navigation by Map
  • Teach use of GPS
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Stage 3

  • Pass Revised Bronze Navigation Paper
  • Repeat Local Airspace Test
  • Flight Test by Independent “examiner”
  • i.e. not involved in Candidate’s Nav Training
  • GPS can be Used, BUT it will FAIL during the flight
  • Stage 4
  • Briefing on use of specific GPS/NAV System that Student intends
  • to use
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Timescale for Introduction

  • Fine Tune Ideas (Q4 2007)
  • Brief CFIs at Regional Meetings (Q1 2008)
  • Start March/April 2008