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CS61C : Machine Structures Lecture 8.2.2 Adios 2004-08-12 Kurt Meinz inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61c. Outline. Join Us! What is this good for? Why did you work so hard? HKN. Administrivia: Join us!. If you did well in CS3 or 61{A,B,C} (A- or above) and want to be on staff?

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  1. CS61C : Machine StructuresLecture 8.2.2Adios 2004-08-12Kurt Meinzinst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs61c

  2. Outline • Join Us! • What is this good for? • Why did you work so hard? • HKN

  3. Administrivia: Join us! • If you did well in CS3 or 61{A,B,C} (A- or above) and want to be on staff? • Usual path: Lab assistant Reader  TA • Fill in form outside 367 Soda before first week of semester… • If you did well in this course, I’ll write you a super recommendation

  4. What is this good for? • CS 162 • Compilers • Use MIPS, ISA performance, cache performance, register allocation

  5. What is this good for? • CS 164 • Operating Systems • Use MIPS, VM, TLB

  6. What is this good for? • CS 150 • Digital Design • Use Verilog, FSM design, CL design

  7. What is this good for? • CS 152 • Computer Architecture • Use Verilog, ISA, CPU design, pipelining

  8. Sure, we worked you hard … • But why? • Cal vs. Stanford: • Which degree is worth more? • Thanks to D. Patterson

  9. Cost: Cal vs. Stanford CS Degrees • Cost Benchmark (2003- 2004 costs) • Tuition: $28,563(Stanford) v. $5,858 (Cal) • Cal cheaper by factor of4.9X • Save $22,700 / year • (Out-of-state tuition $20,068, 1.4X, save $8k/yr) • 4.5 years * Tuition + Room & Board • Stanford Cost: 4.5 * $36,857 = $165,902 • Cal Cost: 4.5 * $14,353 = $64,588 • Cal cheaper by 2.6X, save $100,000(1.3X, $40k) Source: http://registrar.berkeley.edu/Registration/feesched.html http://www.stanford.edu/dept/registrar/registration/tuition.html

  10. Anecdotal Qualitative Assessments • Intel recruiter, several others companies“Cal B.S. degree is equivalent to a Stanford M.S. degree” • HP VP: point new college hire to desk, tell where computers located Next day, Cal alumni: O.S. installed, apps installed, computer on network, sending email, working away • “Can do” attitude Next day, Stanford alumni: “When will someone setup my computer?” • “Can’t do” attitude

  11. Going to Industry: Salary • 2001-2002 Starting Salaries B.S. in CS (according to each Placement center) • Stanford: median $60,800 (10 people) • Cal: median $60,000 (20 people) • Assuming sample size sufficient, Stanford starting salary is within 1% of Cal starting salary Sources: http://career.berkeley.edu/Major2002/CompSci.stm http://www.stanford.edu/dept/CDC/surveys/0102/engineering.html

  12. ACM Programming Contests: Last decade Year Regional International 93/94 1. , 5. Cal, 6. Stanford 6. Cal, dnc St. 94/95 1. Cal, 2. Stanford 2. Cal, 19. St. 95/96 1. Cal, 5. Stanford 1. Cal, dnc St. 96/97 2. Stanford, 4. Cal 16. St., dncCal 97/98 1. Stanford, 2. Cal 11. Cal, 24 St. 98/99 1.,4. Cal, 2., 3. Stanford 7. Cal, 40 St. 99/00 1., 2. Stanford, 7., 8, 16. Cal 15. St.,dncCal 00/01 1. Cal, 2. Stanford 14 St., 29. Cal 01/02 1. Stanford, 2, 3, 4: Cal 5. St., 41 Cal 02/03 2, 8. Cal; 5, 6, 10 Stanford 13 Cal, dnc St. 03/04 dnc Cal; 2, 5 Stanford ?? St, dncCal • Regional:Cal wins 5/10 years, Stanford3/10 yrs • Interntational: Cal won once,6/11 times ahead of Stanford Sources: http://www.acmcontest-pacnw.org/ http://icpc.baylor.edu/past/default.htm

  13. CRA Outstanding Undergraduate Awards • Started 1995, by Computing Research Association • 2 Nominations / school / year: 2 Winners, few Runners Up, many Honorable Mentions • Total: 16 winners, 30 Runners Up, >200 Hon. Men. • Number winners Total Named Points (3/2/1) 40. Stanford (0) 22. Stanford (3) 22. Stanford (3) 5. MIT (1) 14. MIT (3) 11. MIT (5) 1. Dartmouth (2) 3. Cornell (8) 3. Dartmouth (14) 1. Harvard (2) 2. Harvard (10) 2. Harvard (16) 1. Cal (2) 1. Cal (20) 1. Cal (25)

  14. Going on to Ph.D. in C.S. • 1997: ~ 25% of Cal EECS students go on for PhD, <5% of Stanford students go for PhD Grad School Admit Stanford Cal Ratio • Univ. Washington 5 7 1.4 • MIT 3 6 2.0 • Carnegie Mellon 1 4 4.0 • Stanford ?? 6 ? • Cal 0 8 ¥ Fall 1999 applicants Undergraduate Alma Mater B I G 4

  15. Summary of Cost-Performance Comparison • Can Apply Computer Design to Life! • Cost: Cal 2.4X better than Stanford • Performance: • Cal= Stanford starting salary • Cal >Stanford: programming contests, undergrad awards, PhD attractiveness, anecdotal quality assessment • Cost-Performance: Cal is best by far; Is there a second place?

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