Aristophanes’ Lysistrata. Two Quotes. Women’s peithō , how appraised?. Two Quotes. Chorus Leader to Lysistrata:. Magistrate (on Demostratus). . . . a noisy rooftop party for Adonis, just like the one that spoiled our assembly. That ill-starred, foolish politician moved
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Women’s peithō, how appraised?
Chorus Leader to Lysistrata:
Magistrate (on Demostratus)
. . . a noisy rooftop party for Adonis,
just like the one that spoiled our assembly.
That ill-starred, foolish politician moved
we sail to Sicily, while his wife was dancing
and yelling for Adonis. When he said,
let’s muster allied troops for this armada,
his wife was on the rooftop getting drunk
and yelling ‘Oh doomed youth!’ But he persisted,
the goddamned stubborn hotheaded son of a bitch! (p. 110)
Hail the bravest of all women!
Now you must be more besides:
Firm but soft, high-class but low-brow,
Strict but lenient, versatile.
Delegates from every city,
captured by your potent charms,
Come before you and request your
arbitration of their cause. (p. 142)
An Immodest Proposal
We live in a time of overpopulation, we die in a time of great starvation. Though these problems seem infinite, our solution is infantile.
Persuasion and Democracy in Thucydides Readings 2
“The preponderant elements of the movement, the men who lead and nourish it, end by undergoing a gradual detachment from the masses and are attracted within the orbit of the ‘political class’ ” (Political Parties)
“… devotion to the exceptional sanctity, heroism or exemplary character of an individual person, and of the normative patterns or order revealed or ordained by him” (Economy and Society)
Democracy’s “substantive promises”: “what counts is that the people expected results and at times, sometimes for long periods, felt satisfied with them” (Ancient History)
“Nature (phusis) always compels gods (we believe) and men (we are certain) to rule over anyone they can control. We did not make this law (nomos), . . . but . . . will take it as we found it. . . .”
(Thucydides 3.38.4, p. 68)
“The most difficult opponents are those who also accuse one of putting on a rhetorical show (epideixis) for a bribe” (71)
“you are accustomed to being VIEWERS OF WORDS”
eiōthate theatai men tōn logōn gignesthai,
akroatai de tōn ergōn,
“and LISTENERS TO DEEDS”
parisosis (closely balanced clauses)
homoioteleuton (end rhyme)
oxymoron (ironic non-sequitur)
Let’s Count the Ways. . .
Men and women
Spartans and Athenians
* Courtesy Henderson 1987.
MAGISTRATE: You can stop these wartime hardships. . .?
MAGISTRATE: How? . . .
LYSISTRATA: . . . First you wash the city as we wash the wool, . . .
Bring it all together now, and make one giant ball of yarn. . . .
MAGISTRATE: What do women know of war? (Lit. “Is this not a terrible thing, these women ‘woofing’ and ‘warping’ us!”). . .
LYSISTRATA: . . . First of all we make the children,
Then we send them off to war.
MAGISTRATE: That’s enough! (Lit. “You must stop remembering evil!”)