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  1. November 2007Mesh Meeting Agenda Authors: Date: 2007-11-12 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  2. IEEE 802.11s:Mesh NetworkingTask Group TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. Atlanta, Georgia 12-15 November, 2007 Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd., Motorola Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com +1-508-786-7554 Technical Editor: vacant Secretary: Stephen Rayment, BelAir Networks Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  3. Venue Hyatt Regency, Atlanta, Georgia Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  4. General Flow of the TGs Meeting • Monday • Ad Hoc meeting • Administrivia and Status • TGs Process Presentation • Resolution of Comments, Improvement of the Draft • Tuesday • Resolution of Comments, Improvement of the Draft • Wednesday • Security Presentations • Resolution of Comments, Improvement of the Draft • Thursday • TGs Process Discussion • Resolution of Comments, Improvement of the Draft • Go to Letter Ballot? • Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  5. Monday, 12 November 2007 8:00-9:30, Dunwoody Room • Call ad hoc meeting to Order • Manual Attendance Recording • Selection of Secretary for ad hoc meeting: Jan Kruys • Review of IEEE 802 and 802.11 Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Affiliation, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. • Miscellaneous Announcements • Ad Hoc Agenda approved • Status of TGs Draft and Letter Ballot • Draft D1.07 • “Resolution of comments received during IEEE 802.11 Letter Ballot 93”, 11-07/23r50 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  6. Monday, 12 November 2007 8:00-9:30, Dunwoody Room • Technical Editor: no candidates • Straw poll as to who was interested in working on comment resolution in which area: • General – 1, Security – 5, MAC – 7, RFI – 3 • Divide into three subgroups for ad hoc comment resolution with coordinators as follows • Security – Jesse Walker • MAC – Michelle Gong • RFI – Guenael Strutt • Recombined • Adjourn ad hoc meeting Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  7. Monday, 12 November 2007 16:00-18:00, Dunwoody Room • Call meeting to Order • Automated Attendance Recording • Review of IEEE 802 and 802.11 Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Affiliation, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. • Miscellaneous Announcements • Agenda Approved (unanimous) • Minutes Approved (all unanimous): • September 2007 (Waikoloa) Meeting Minutes, 11-07/2495r0 • 12 November 2007 Ad Hoc Meeting Minutes, 11-07/2806r1 • Teleconference Minutes • 26 September 2007, 11-07/2617r0 • 10, 17, 24, 31 October 2007, 11-07/2638r0, 11-07/2650r0, 11-07/2666r0, 11-7/2698r0 • (minutes for 7 November not on server, approval postponed) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  8. Important Stuff • Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages of the Working Group meeting agenda. • Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions: http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html • Anti-Trust: http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf • IEEE Ethics: http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html • Letter of Assurance Form: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf • IEEE Patent Committee: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html • IEEE Patent Policy: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt • Patent FAQ: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  9. Miscellaneous Announcements • Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended! • The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff. • Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area! • Individual membership • In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization. • Photographs and Recordings • No sound recordings are permitted at 802.11 WG or TG meetings. • No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission. • Media – Press and Analyst briefings • Only the 802.11/.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working groups Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  10. Affiliation • It is defined in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws, 5.2.1.5 as: “An individual is deemed “affiliated” with any individual or entity that has been, or will be, financially or materially supporting that individual’s participation in a particular IEEE standards activity. This includes, but is not limited to, his or her employer and any individual or entity that has or will have, either directly or indirectly, requested, paid for, or otherwise sponsored his or her participation. • Revision: Feb 2006 Standards Board Bylaw 5.2.1.1 • Openness is defined as the quality of being not restricted to a particular type or category of participants. All meetings involving standards development an all IEEE Sponsor ballots shall be open to all interested parties. Each individual participant in IEEE Standards activities shall disclose his or her affiliations when requested. A person who knows or reasonably should know, that a participant’s disclosure is materially incomplete or incorrect should report that fact to the Secretary of the IEEE-SA Standards Board and the appropriate Sponsors. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  11. Affiliation Policy • Requirement to declare affiliation at all standards development meetings and recorded in the minutes • Affiliation not necessarily same as employer • Declaration requirement may be familiar to some 802 WGs, though WG declaration process may evolve • 11. What if I refuse to disclose my affiliation? • As outlined in IEEE-SA governance documents, you will lose certain rights. In a working group where voting rights are gained through attendance, no attendance credit will be granted if affiliation isn’t declared. Similarly, voting rights are to be removed if affiliation isn’t declared. • Affiliation declaration will be added to Sponsor ballot • http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  12. Automated Attendance Recording • Go to http://newton.events.ieee.org(Documents: http://802server.events.ieee.org/ or 172.16.0.10 or just http://newton) • Create a profile • Claim attendance credit for each session. • Only “create a profile” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT“sign-in” for others. • You have to log in every session! • Do NOT use 802wirelessworld for anything! Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  13. Monday, 12 November 2007 16:00-18:00, Dunwoody Room • Status of TGs Draft and Letter Ballot • Draft D1.07 • “Resolution of comments received during IEEE 802.11 Letter Ballot 93”, 11-07/23r50 • Technical Editor discussion • Presentation and Discussion on Process • “TGs Process, November”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-07/2812r1 • “Broadcast MDA”, Alexander Safonov (IITP), Yongho Seok (LG Electronics), 11-07/2575r2. • Straw Poll: Should a vote on this be scheduled for tomorrow moring? • Yes: 8 No: 1 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  14. Monday, 12 November 2007 16:00-18:00, Dunwoody Room • “High Throughput Mesh”, Alexander Safonov (IITP), Yongho Seok (LG Electronics), 11-07/2700r0. • Straw Poll: Should a vote on this be scheduled for tomorrow morning? • Yes: 29 No: 0 • “Suggested PICS Proforma Table Additions”, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), 11-07/1991r2. • Unanimous consent to schedule vote for tomorrow. • “Power efficient and unified 802.11s solution”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2646r1. • “Mesh Power Save”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2717r1. • After both of the presentations immediately above, there was substantial discussion and it was suggested there should be further discussion of updated submissions later in the week. • Recess until 8:00 Tuesday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  15. Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • Call Meeting to Order • IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder • Minutes approved by unanimous consent: • 7 November 2007 Teleconference, 11-07/2804r0 • “Analyzing the Beacon Collision Probability in Mesh Networks”, Michelle Gong (Intel), 11-07/2813r1. • Straw poll: Do you think beacon collision is a serious problem that we need to address? • Yes: 22 No: 3 Abstain: 11 • Straw poll:Do you think 11s should reuse the existing beacon frame type or define a new action frame to replace the beacon? • Reuse the existing beacon frame type: 12 • Define a new action frame type: 1 • Don’t know / care: 18 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  16. Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • Moved, to adopt the normative text in document 11-07-2723-00-000s-normative-text-for-broadcast-mda.doc, resolving CID 494 with “Counter”, and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Alexander Safonov Seconded: Yongho Seok • Amended to r1 and postponed to tomorrow by unanimous consent. • Moved, to adopt normative text in document 11-07-2732-00-000s-normative-text-for-high-throughput-mesh.doc, changing the resolution of CIDs 235, 4206, and 4228 from “Reject” to “Accept” and CIDs 1935 and 3745 from “Reject” to “Counter” , and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Deferred until tomorrow by unanimous consent (text is expected to be updated). Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  17. Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • Moved, to adopt the normative text in document 11-07/1991r2 (with all tracked changes accepted) resolving CIDs as listed below, and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Close with Accept CIDs: 51, 657, 789, 996, 1217, 1218, 1876, 1896, 1905, 2020, 2108, 2182, 3448, 3493, 3498, 4133, 4686, and 5606 • Close with Counter CIDs: 3412 and 4251 • Moved: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconded: Dee Denteneer • Yes: 19 No: 0 Abstain: 9 (passes >3/4) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  18. Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “MAC QoS”, Mathilde Benveniste (Avaya), 11-07/2814r0. • “Common TSF Issues”, Zhen Xie (Atheros), 11-07/2518r3. • Recess until 8:00 Wednesday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  19. Wednesday, 14 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • Call Meeting to Order • IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder • “Proposed resolution to some security comments”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2838r0. • Motion scheduled for this afternoon. • “Minor text updates for Abbreviated Handshake”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2816r0. • Adopted by unanimous consent. • “A More Efficient KDF”, Dan Harkins (Aruba), 11-07/2855r0. • Motion scheduled for this afternoon. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  20. Wednesday, 14 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “PMKID List updates for MSA Authentication”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), 11-07/2648r0. • Moved, to adopt normative text in document 11-07-2648-00-000s-pmkid-list-updates-for-msa-authentication.doc resolving CID 4761 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Tony Braskich Seconded: Jesse Walker • Adopted by unanimous consent. • “Key Hierarchy Nonce Updates”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), 11-07/2649r1. • “GTK Clarification for Mesh Access Points”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), 11-07/2865r0. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  21. Wednesday, 14 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “Key usage update for Peer Link Management”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2839r2. • “Mesh Neighbour List Element”, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), 11-07/2817r0. • Moved, to remove the mesh neighbor list element and reference to this information element, as a resolution to CID1085, and 2122. • 7.2.3.1 : Remove the mesh neighbor list element entry for beacon frame in Table7-8. • 7.2.3.5 : Remove the mesh neighbor list element entry for probe response frame in Table7-15. • 7.3.2 : Remove the mesh neighbor list element entry in Table7-26. • 7.3.2.60: Remove subclause 7.3.2.60 Mesh Neighbor List element entirely. • Annex D: Remove dot11BBConnectivityReportTimeout, dot11BBBeaconRecoveryTimeOut, and dot11BBBeaconRecoveryAddition. • Adopted by unanimous consent. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  22. Wednesday, 14 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “MBCA and Beacon Timing Element Clean Up”, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), 11-07/2819r1. • Straw Poll: Should MBCA use AID or part of the MAC Address? • AID: 13 MAC: 3 Don’t Know/Care: 20 • Recess until 13:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  23. Wednesday, 14 November 200713:30-15:30, Dunwoody Room • Call Meeting to Order • IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder • Moved, to adopt the CID resolutions in 11-07/2838r0 (“Proposed resolution to some security comments”). • Moved: Meiyuan Zhao Seconded: Tony Braskich • Adopted by unanimous consent • Moved, to adopt 11-07/2855r0 (“A More Efficient KDF”) and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs Draft. • Moved: Dan Harkins Seconded: Malik Audeh • Yes: 19 No: 4 Abstain: 13 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  24. Wednesday, 14 November 200713:30-15:30, Dunwoody Room • “802.11s functional interdependences”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2853r0. • Straw Poll: Should a peer link offset synchronization be mandatory? • Yes: 22 No: 2 Don’t know/care: 20 • Straw Poll: Should support of power save be mandatory? • Yes: 20 No: 7 Abstain: 22 • “Power efficient and unified 802.11s solution”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2646r3. • Straw Poll: Are you in favour of the power save enhancements presented in this slide set and described in 11-07-2717r2? • Yes: 24 No: 2 Don’t know/care: 22 • “Performance Evaluation of ‘Express Forwarding’for a Single-Channel Mesh”, Mathilde Benveniste (Avaya), 11-07/2454r1. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  25. Wednesday, 14 November 200713:30-15:30, Dunwoody Room • “Effect of Contention Window Size on ‘Express Forwarding’ Performance for Single-Channel Mesh”, Mathilde Benveniste (Avaya), 11-07/2886r0. • Straw Poll: From what you have seen so far, do we need something beyond EDCA? • Yes: 19 No: 1 Don’t know: 16 • Recess until 8:00 Thursday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  26. Thursday, 15 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • Call Meeting to Order • IPR and Attendance recording reminder • Moved, to adopt normative text in document 11-07-2865-01-000s-gtk-clarification-for-mesh-access-points.doc resolving CID 590 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Tony Braskich Seconed: Guido Hiertz • Adopted by unanimous consent • “MDA comments categorization”, Dee Denteneer (Phillips), 11-07/2868r0. • Straw Poll: Should we remove MAF? • Yes: 2 No: 2 Leave it to Dee: Uncountably large • Moved, to adopt the comment resolutions suggested in 11-07/2868r0 and formally presented in 11-07/2867r0 and direct the Editor to incorporate them into the draft. • Moved: Dee Denteneer Seconded: Guido Hiertz • Yes: 14 No: 1 Abstain: 15 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  27. Thursday, 15 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • Moved, to adopt normative text in document 11-07-2757-02-000s-mesh-synchronization-normative-text.doc resolving CIDs 59, 60, 61, 88, 683, 687, 688, 689, 690, 761, 845, 901, 906, 1121, 1122, 1124, 1126, 1127, 1310, 1573, 1575, 3412, 3565, 3566, 3888, 3889, 3898, 3927, 3967, 4250, 4251, 4451, 4691, 4692, 4693, 4694, 4868, 5535, 5536, 5537, 5541, 5663, and 5681 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Zhen Xie Seconded: Guido Hiertz • Yes: 21 No: 0 Abstain: 9 (passes > ¾) • Moved, to adopt the normative text in document 11-07-2820-02-000s-mbca-and-beacon-timing-element-clean-up-text.doc resolving CIDs 762, 896, 3968, 89, 90, 772, 5664, 372, 731, 897, 1813, 2149, 2344, 2345, 3804, 3805, 5018, 5019, 5020, and 5022 and incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconded: Dee Deneneer • Adopted by unanimous consent. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  28. Thursday, 15 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “Broadcast MDA”, Alexander Safonov (IITP), Yongho Seok (LG Electronics), 11-07/2723r2. • Moved, to adopt the normative text in document 11-07-2723-02-000s-normative-text-for-broadcast-mda.doc, resolving CID 494 with “Counter”, and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Alexander Safonov Seconded: Dee Denteneer • Yes: 10 No: 0 Abstain: 15 (passes > ¾) • “High Throughput Mesh”, Alexander Safonov (IITP), Yongho Seok (LG Electronics), 11-07/2732r1. • Moved, to adopt normative text in document 11-07-2732-01-000s-normative-text-for-high-throughput-mesh.doc, changing the resolution of CIDs 235, 4206, and 4228 from “Reject” to “Accept” and CIDs 1935 and 3745 from “Reject” to “Counter” , and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved : Alexander Safonov Seconded: Michelle Gong • Yes: 20 No: 0 Abstain: 8 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  29. Thursday, 15 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “Editorial fixes for TGs D1.07”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2882r0. • Moved, To adopt the changes to Draft D1.07 in 11-07/2882r0 and direct the Editor to incorporate them into the Draft. • Moved: Tony Braskich Seconded: Jan Kruys • Adopted by unanimous consent • “The Last 20 Routing, Forwarding and Interworking Comments”, Guenael Strutt (Motorola), 11-07-2892r0. • Moved, To adopt 11-07/2839r3 and direct the editor to incorporate the changes into the TGs draft. • Moved: Meiyuan Zhao Seconded: Jesse Walker • Yes: 11 No: 0 Abstain: 14 (passes > ¾) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  30. Thursday, 15 November 20078:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room • “Relationship between peer link and physical link”, Michael Bahr (Siemens), 11-07/2572r2. • (9:51+) Moved, to adopt the normative text in document 11-07-2893-01 (resolution notes column E), resolving CIDs 419, 759, 1665, 1859, 2075, 2655, 3590, 3629, 3866, 3987, 4389, 4400, 4401, 4429, 4458, 4690, 5694 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Malik Audeh Seconded: Guido Hiertz • Yes: 14 No: 0 Abstain: 2 (passes > ¾) • Recess until 10:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  31. Thursday, 15 November 200710:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room • Call Meeting to Order • IPR and Attendance recording reminder • Discussion on 11-07/2454r1and 11-07/2886r0 given at the end of the last TGs session yesterday, Mathilde Benveniste. • “Mesh Power Save”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2717r3. • Moved,to adopt the normative text in document 11-07-2717-03-000s-mesh-power-save.doc, resolving CIDs 783, 1090, 1093, 1995, 2001, 4261, 4264, 4450, 5665 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. • Moved: Seconded: • Discussion and Votes re Process • “TGs Process, November”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-07/2812r2. • Technical Editor Selection Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  32. Pending Presentations • (Noon) Moved, to adopt the changes proposed in 11-07/2569r2 as resolution to comments CID 418 and 465 and to instruct the editor to incorporate them into the draft. • Moved: Seconded: • Yes: No: Abstain: Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  33. Thursday, 15 November 200710:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room • Moved, to Close all remaining open comments in 11-07/23rTBD with the disposition Reject and the Resolution Note “TGs believes that it needs additional input through a WG Letter Ballot.” • Moved: Seconded: • Moved, to direct the Technical Editor to produce a revised Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before this motion. • Moved: Seconded: • Moved, to approve and forward the following motion to the 802.11 Working Group: “Moved, to authorize a 15-Day Procedural Letter Ballot to approve sending 802.11s Draft D2.0 to 30-Day Letter Ballot.” • Moved: Seconded: Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  34. Thursday, 15 November 200710:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room • If going to Letter Ballot fails: • Straw Poll on when to hold teleconferences: • Moved, to authorize weekly teleconferences from November through January meetings, starting 28 November through 21 January, Wednesdays, except during the Taipei meeting, at TBDam/pm. • Moved: Seconded: • Straw Poll, When will we go to Letter Ballot again? Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  35. Thursday, 15 November 200710:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room • Other Technical Presentations • Adjourn sine die • TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  36. [Reference Information] • Updated version at http://standards.ieee.org/board/nes/projects/802-11s.pdf. • Original PAR for IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1. • Comment Resolution Spreadsheet for Current Draft D1.07: • 11-07/23r50: Resolution of comments received during IEEE 802.11 Letter Ballot 93 • Confirmed Proposal on which Draft D0.01 was based: • 11-06/328r0: Joint SEE-Mesh/Wi-Mesh Proposal to 802.11 TGs • 11-06/329r3: Joint SEE-Mesh/Wi-Mesh Proposal to 802.11 TGs Overview • Adopted Task Group Working Documents (other than Drafts) • 11-04/1477r4: Terms and Definitions for 802.11s • 11-04/1174r13: Functional Specification and Scope • 11-04/1175r10: Comparison Categories and Informative Checklists • 11-04/662r16: Usage Models • 11-04/1543r4: Informative Reference Bibliography for 802.11s Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola

  37. [Earlier Meeting Minutes] • Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes • September 2007, Waikoloa, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2495r0 • September 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2413r0 • July 2007, San Francisco, California, 11-07/2277r0 • June 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/2009r0 • May 2007, Montreal, Quebec, 11-07/746r0 • April 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Eindhoven, Netherlands, 11-07/559r1 • March 2007, Orlando, Florida, 11-07/413r0 • February 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/240r0 • January 2007, London, England, 11-07/92r0 • November 2006, Dallas, Texas, 11-06/1788r0 • November 2006 ad hoc, Munich, Germany, 11-06/1652r1 • September 2006, Melbourne, Australia, 11-06/1565r0 • Recent Teleconference Minutes • 25 July 2007, 11-07/2281r0 • 8, 15, 22, 29 August 2007, 11-07/2300r0, 11-07/2325r0, 11-07/2337r0, 11-07/2356r0 • 5 September 2007, 11-07/2377r1 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola