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Sunday 9 th Jan 2011 Dreaming dreams, and looking at the things with new eyes. As Anglicans and Methodists together, the members of St Martin’s shared church joined for the Covenant Service, a shared lunch, and an afternoon of discussion.
As Anglicans and Methodists together, the members of St Martin’s shared church joined for the Covenant Service, a shared lunch, and an afternoon of discussion.
The record of that discussion, around 4 themes, follows in this presentation. Being a record of discussion, this document represents the views and opinions of individuals present. It does not reflect the considered opinions and views of the church as a whole, or of the church leadership. However there is much here on which to build.
We hope that you will be inspired, encouraged, and motivated by the content you read here. Do get involved, do add your suggestions... Do pray for the future of St. Martins that together we would seek God’s will and reflect His glory in all we do.
(note taker for the day) Any additions / comment / corrections gratefully received....
The bogey green carpet
The heating in the Lady Chapel
Can’t find the entrance: need signs from High Street and Car Park.
The ‘Gates’ give a feeling of ‘keep out’
Entrance needs a total revamp.
Local visitors assume that others should pay for upkeep of the church... The ‘others’ = us!’
Choir too far away – we miss the wonderful singing!
The services are traditional
I Love the music – Martin’s playing is so glorious.
I love the choir
An outstanding Choir
I like it when Sunday club comes in.
Children Orientated servies.
Not always had this pattern of service. Holy Communion can put some people off coming to Church – do not have to be every week.
Take the labels of the services: 9.30 Holy Communion 11.00 Morning Worship.
Communion Services are very flexible.
Could swap to one communions a month
Communion once a quarter would be a very special and important service.
Communion is what Sunday Service should be.
Should we be about spiritual boost on Sunday or mission in Dorking? – That determines how the service should be.
Permission to use liturgy can be a problem.
Communion should be after Matins
Change the times
A robed choir not every service
Include some tradition in the all together services to get children used to it.
Less formality in the Lady Chapel, so it can be explained as communion is taken.
Attend each others service (voluntary).
In Fellowship we work well together. ... Not so often in worship... Some fellowship should therefore involve more worship – eg Passover meal, harvest support with some worship.
Should make more effort to go to each others’ services.
Should be more ‘pulpit swaps’
The role and responsibility of the ecumenical minister should be permanent.
Social Responsibility and outreach – shared committee to research how the church can help with problems in the town.
‘at x church they have postcards which they give out everytime someone helps’ eg... A gift from St. Martins.’
A joint account makes sharing easier now.
Forms of worship – opportunity to bring others in eg crib service.
What do ‘outsiders’ what? Difficult to find out
1:1 discussion to raise awareness of what church can provide.
Lack of flexibility of building – but unambitious to change it.
Need to grow in confidence – to bring people in.
Must not dwell on history.
Children and Youth 15 Sunday Club 40 Youth.
Home Groups 5+ 20 max
Growing in love.
Commitment: Small numbers
Knowledge of the bible – lay people more involved.
Faith & Spirituality – more involvement.
Christian Centre – brings a lots of income (!ed) and is at the heart of St. Martin’s as many use the Christian Centre as a place to find help.
Help from the younger generation to take some workload but also grow the church
Room from more loving and less personal criticism.
We’re shrinking because the church is all about the old times.
Course work stops many young people going to church as its one the two days they get to catch up and I think the fact that they are put under a lot of pressure at school many people just need those two days; also they use Sundays to sleep because of the early morning the next day, and many people just don’t believe any more.
Media effects – gives christianity negative
Maybe not shrinking, but not growing.
Visitors to the Christian Centre
Volunteers in the Christian Centre.
How can we serve them? Being a neighbour.
Community – Town Church, Civic, Local Council Meetings.
Wandering Church yard Community
Homeless & Travellers
Difference in geography of both churches affects pastoral needs.
Can use both Methodist and Anglican practices in supporting our networks.
St. Martin’s Shopping Centre
Working Community of Dorking.
Identify community needs by looking at ourselves and our own needs.
A really good – well known hymn to end with.
More people willing to share the workload
Publicity about services in schools
Use our affiliations to uniformed groups more get them involved.
Building individual / group relationships
The current culture doesn’t encourage church – going.
Something in the porch (Christian Centre) to advertise special services.
Ministry of us all – shared responsibility
Confidence – can not rely on overworked
Need to prioritise (and agree on) important things to match resources.
Need for support /mentoring / training / practice with fear of criticism.
A visitors Book
‘Presence in the Church for people to talk to... The personal touch.
Engage with schools.
Communication between congregations.
We all have a calling – priesthood of all believers.
Ordained have enabling and educational ministry.
They should have deeper theological training to lead and guide.
Ministers are called upon in times of crisis.
Time to devote themselves to the church.
Strong leader who can hold things together.
Strong preacher and charismatic personality can attract new members.
Is there really an advantage in ‘ a young family man with children’. .. Is there any evidence that they will attract more youngsters.
Plan for the congregation you wish you had!
A team contains different personalities, different strengths,.
They need to be able to communicate and be mutually supportive.
They need a leader for each congregation, plus a shared management team (church).
More sharing in the management in the sharing of the management of the church and DCC.
If we reshape our patterns of worship, will we need to reshape our leadership team?
Centre leader with Pastoral responsibilities for the Centre. ... Could be a minister who sees Centre as part of their responsibility.
What are the priorities you see for approaches for fundraising to enhance the building (including the crypt) for use in the 21st Century and beyond?
People feel they don’t know the crypt / the building.
Importance of the Lady Chapel? What about growing congregation fitting in?
Heating in the Church.
Glass doors Narthex / Lobby Area
Ways to engage Visitors.
Co-ordinate the display material – heritage / events.
Something for children
Improvements that need space... Cleaning, flowers, - storage space.
Coffee bar (in the church).
West doors / steps and ramps –
Chairs in some parts.. Eg side aisles.
Signs on high street & car park.
St. Martin’s sign ‘open on Sundays’.
Update & relocate history book
What more can we to involve more of our regular members and wider community to take a personal stake in keeping up the church’s condition and appearance?
Friends of St Martin’s working group, ‘doing things’ rather than just collecting money.
More visible collecting box for funds.
Committee to feed ‘friends’ continually with our needs.
What can be done to make us more professional on fundraising / getting people involved – eg friends of capel church.
Skills audit of all members: eg gardening / babysitting / fundraising for the church / cleaning.
‘Pew Leaders’ split cleaning down into chunks... People?
Need to formalise the jobs... ? Volunteer contracts?
Younger people: sweeping up leaves etc.
Farmers market outside in the church yard.
What more can we to involve more of our regular members and wider community to take a personal stake in keeping up the church’s condition and appearance? (cont..)
Teams with rotating responsibilities and leader for quarterly cleaning.
Schools project ‘tidying our church’.,
Brownies already tidy up.
Tidy up checklist included in contract (it is! Ed).
School encourage wider involvement in ‘doing’.
Sponsorship of.... ‘with credit in magazine. ‘
What are the main priorities you see in making The Christian Centre better suited to the many different users who come through its doors every week?
Best thing at the Christian Centre is the meals... Keep that!
Lights not to be on at night
Include preparation time in booking
Ability to lock (if unlocked)
Improve entrance (including door – is too heavy).
Moveable display space for groups.