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TGu Agenda. Authors:. Date: 2009-05-11. Abstract. Agenda for TGu Interworking with External Networks meeting for May 2009, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Monday 11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00. Meeting Room Fairmont Hotel - Richelieu Call Meeting to Order. Instructions for the WG Chair.

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tgu agenda
TGu Agenda


Date: 2009-05-11

Stephen McCann, RIM


Agenda for TGu Interworking with External Networks meeting for May 2009, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Stephen McCann, RIM


Monday11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00

  • Meeting Room
    • Fairmont Hotel - Richelieu
  • Call Meeting to Order

Stephen McCann, RIM

instructions for the wg chair
Instructions for the WG Chair

The IEEE-SA strongly recommends that at each WG meeting the chair or a designee:

  • Show slides #1 through #4 of this presentation
  • Advise the WG attendees that:
    • The IEEE’s patent policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy and is described in Clause 6 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws;
    • Early identification of patent claims which may be essential for the use of standards under development is strongly encouraged;
    • There may be Essential Patent Claims of which the IEEE is not aware. Additionally, neither the IEEE, the WG, nor the WG chair can ensure the accuracy or completeness of any assurance or whether any such assurance is, in fact, of a Patent Claim that is essential for the use of the standard under development.
  • Instruct the WG Secretary to record in the minutes of the relevant WG meeting:
    • That the foregoing information was provided and that slides 1 through 4 (and this slide 0, if applicable) were shown;
    • That the chair or designee provided an opportunity for participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) of which the participant is personally aware and that may be essential for the use of that standard
    • Any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom.
  • The WG Chair shall ensure that a request is made to any identified holders of potential essential patent claim(s) to complete and submit a Letter of Assurance.
  • It is recommended that the WG chair review the guidance in IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual 6.3.5 and in FAQs 12 and 12a on inclusion of potential Essential Patent Claims by incorporation or by reference.

Note: WG includes Working Groups, Task Groups, and other standards-developing committees with a PAR approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board.

Stephen McCann, RIM

participants patents and duty to inform
Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform

All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants:

    • “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents
      • “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents orpatent claims
    • “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)
    • The above does not apply if the patentclaim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group

Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2

  • Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged
  • No duty to perform a patent search

Slide #1

Stephen McCann, RIM

patent related links
Patent Related Links

All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.

Patent Policy is stated in these sources:

IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws

IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual

Material about the patent policy is available at

If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit

This slide set is available at

Slide #2

Stephen McCann, RIM

call for potentially essential patents
Call for Potentially Essential Patents
  • If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance:
    • Either speak up now or
    • Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or
    • Cause an LOA to be submitted

Slide #3

Stephen McCann, RIM

other guidelines for ieee wg meetings
Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
  • All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
    • Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
    • Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
      • Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.
        • Technical considerations remain primary focus
    • Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
    • Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
    • Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.


See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.

Slide #4

Stephen McCann, RIM

resources urls
Resources – URLs
  • Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation
  • Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines
  • Link to IEEE Code of Ethics
  • Link to IEEE Patent Policy

Stephen McCann, RIM

meeting etiquette
Meeting Etiquette
  • IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization
  • Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professionalmanner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization.
  • Individuals are to address the “Technical” content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making “personal” comments to or about the presenter.

Stephen McCann, RIM


Monday I 11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00

  • Attendance
    • 11-08-0058-00-0000-opening-network-information-attendance-and-documentation-for-january-2009-session.ppt
    • Must register before logging attendance
    • Must log attendance during each 2 hour session
  • Documentation
  • Timelines

Stephen McCann, RIM

monday i cont 11 may 2009 13 30 18 00
Monday I (cont’)11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00
  • Secretary Election
  • Approve Agenda
    • 11-09-0501r1 (this document)
  • Summary of the March 2009 Meeting
    • 11-09-0366-00-000u-closing-report.ppt
  • Approval of Minutes
    • 11-09-0089-00-000u-january-2009-meeting-minutes.doc
    • 11-09-0331-00-000u-march-2009-vancouver-canada-meeting-minutes.doc

Stephen McCann, RIM

monday i cont 11 may 2009 13 30 18 001
Monday I (cont’)11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00
  • Approval of Teleconference Minutes
    • 11-09-0477-00-000u-teleconference-minutes-15-april-2009.doc
    • 11-09-0493-00-000u-teleconference-minutes-22-april-2009.doc
    • 11-09-0500-00-000u-teleconference-minutes-29-april-2009.doc
    • 11-09-0522-00-000u-teleconference-minutes-6-may-2009.doc
  • Technical Editor Update
    • Draft 6.01
    • IEEE Shop (walk through)
  • Sponsor Ballot preparation

Stephen McCann, RIM


Monday I (cont’) 11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00

  • Liaisons
    • 11-09-0396-01-000u-draft-reply-liaison-to-3gpp-ct1.doc [Bumiller]
  • LB 148 Status
  • Comment resolution spreadsheet
    • 11-09-0489-06-000u-lb148-comment-spreadsheet.xls
    • Revisit teleconference and ad-hoc recommendations
    • Approve recommendations
  • Presentations

Stephen McCann, RIM


Monday I (cont’) 11 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00

  • Presentations
    • 11-09-0466-00-000u-tgu-input-to-tgwpmf.xls [Lambert]
    • 11-09-0487-00-000u-an-understanding-of-capability-list-and-native-query-protocol-query-element-format.doc [Cypher]

Stephen McCann, RIM

monday ii 11 may 2009 19 30 21 30
Monday II11 May 2009, 19:30 – 21:30
  • Joint TGp/TGu/TGv evening meeting in Duluth room
    • Time definition issues
    • Proposed Agenda:1. Call meeting to order, purpose of meeting - Dorothy 2. Review of TGv Time advertisement, use cases - 15 minutes - Allan, can you present this?3. Review of TGu Time advertisement, use cases - 15 minutes - Stephen - can you identify a presenter?4. Review of TGp Time advertisement, use cases - 15 minutes - Lee, can you identify a presenter?5. Discussion- overlap/non-overlap, next steps

Stephen McCann, RIM


Tuesday I 12 May 2009, 08:00 – 12:30

  • Presentations
  • Comment Resolution

Stephen McCann, RIM


Tuesday II 12 May 2009, 19:30 – 21:30

  • TGp OUI resolution?
  • Presentations
  • Comment Resolution

Stephen McCann, RIM

wednesday i 13 may 2009 08 00 10 00
Wednesday I13 May 2009, 08:00 – 10:00
  • Motions
    • Re-approve Tuesday evening motions
    • Motion to approve Draft 6.01
  • TGp/TGu/TGv Timing (11-09-0560r2)
    • Specific TGu recommendation 11-09-0593r0
  • TGp OUI resolution
  • Public Action Frame discussion (11-09-0519r0)
  • Technical Comment Resolution (11-09-0489r10)
  • Liaisons (11-09-0594r0)

Stephen McCann, RIM

wednesday ii 13 may 2009 16 00 18 00
Wednesday II13 May 2009, 16:00 – 18:00
  • Status report
  • Liaison (11-09-0594r0)
  • Technical Comment Resolution (11-09-0489r11)
  • Presentations
    • 520r0 GAS protocol update
    • 591r1 Native GAS protocol update
    • 589r0 GAS operation in multiple BSSIDs

Stephen McCann, RIM

thursday i 14 may 2009 10 30 12 30
Thursday I14 May 2009, 10:30 – 12:30
  • Time Advertisement
    • TGv adopted 09/592r2 Thurs AM1.
    • TGp adopted 09/482r6 yesterday.
    • Motion to adopt 09/593r2
  • Presentations
    • 11-09-0627-00-000u-lb-148-multicast-counters.doc
    • 11-09-0311-01-000u-update-to-emergency-alert-cid5350.doc
    • 11-09-0609-01-000u-lb148-update-to-emergency-services-cid6135.doc
    • 11-09-0604-00-000u-lb148-update-to-annex-v4-cid6198.doc
    • 11-09-0632-00-000u-lb-148-roaming-consortium-update.doc
    • 11-09-0622-00-000u-eap-types-in-nai-realm-list.doc

Stephen McCann, RIM

thursday ii 14 may 2009 13 30 18 00
Thursday II14 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00
  • Comment Resolution (11-09-0489r12)
  • Recess for “Notice of Expiry” submission in TGv
  • 11-09-0311-02-000u-update-to-emergency-alert-cid5350.doc
  • For re-circulation LB
    • Check for all outstanding submissions
    • Complete all discussion and defer issues
  • Comment Spreadsheet
    • Presentation of submissions
    • Tidying up motions and comment resolutions
    • Approve comment resolution spreadsheet
    • Move to proceed with re-circulation letter ballot

Stephen McCann, RIM

thursday ii cont 14 may 2009 13 30 18 00
Thursday II (cont’)14 May 2009, 13:30 – 18:00
  • 3GPP CT1 Liaison (11-09-0645r0)
  • Sponsor Ballot Issues
  • Timeline document review
  • Teleconferences/Ad Hocs
  • Preparation for July 2009 Plenary
  • AOB
  • Adjourn

Stephen McCann, RIM