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Chapter 5 Lawyers “What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?”

Chapter 5 Lawyers “What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?” Answer: One is a bottom-dwelling creature that feeds off the waste of others. The other is a fish. Again, lawyers are important in our legal system: they are gatekeepers (gotta go through a lawyer). Legal Education

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Chapter 5 Lawyers “What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?”

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  1. Chapter 5 Lawyers “What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?” Answer: One is a bottom-dwelling creature that feeds off the waste of others. The other is a fish. Again, lawyers are important in our legal system: they are gatekeepers (gotta go through a lawyer). • Legal Education • Legal Training Before 1870 • Self-Study – especially out west • Apprenticeship – boy would pay to work with a lawyer for training. • Law schools were rarely used (only 15 in 1850; 1000 students). Nature of law school then was much broader (philosophy, economics, ethics). A few Proprietary (for profit) law schools created, which focused solely on the practice of law. • Modern Law school originated with the dean of Harvard Law School (Christopher Langdell) in 1870. Introduced:

  2. Case method – lectures replaced by reading appellate court opinions (focus not on the law but on cases) • This method encouraged the creation of night law schools because leading law schools began raising admission and graduation standards. Night schools welcomed anyone and focused on state law. In response (1900), the American Assoc. of Law Schools was organized and left out night schools. • Law schools today • Students 127,610 in ABA approved schools 2001 (49% women). 1963, 46,666 (4% women). • Admission based on Law School Admission Test (140k taking it annually) and GPA (mostly). • In the past, some law schools explicitly discriminated against women and blacks. There were only 3 black lawyers in MS 1960s. Today, 21% of law students are minorities; 21% of degrees awarded go to minorities (7% Hispanics; 7% AA’s). Women are 29% and blacks 5% of practicing lawyers and 50% law students are female.

  3. Curriculum today • Usually 3 years (compared to 1-2) • Purpose1: Trained to be generalists • Purpose2: Think like lawyers (teach them what the law requires, not what they think is right/just. Key distinction between what is permissible vs. wise (what can be done vs what ought to be done) • First year is general and hard with little discretion over courses (civil procedure, const. law, contracts, criminal law, property, torts, legal research). Subsequent years, electives (specialization) • Instruction uses Socratic method – professors teach by asking students questions and challenging them to defend answers (heavy demand on students). • Criticisms: too hard for students (p. 137); sometimes too abstract/impractical; sometimes too bar focused/misleadingly value-free, objective, apolitical • Differences between law schools • 200 law schools, most accredited by ABA. If not, grad can only take bar in that state. • Vary in prestige quality of professors, library holdings, required courses, faculty-student ratios.

  4. Prestige: 3 levels. 20 at the top (Ivy league, Duke, Stanford, UVA, Michigan, Texas, UCLA). Most in the middle (UGA, Ole Miss, Bama). Then, local law schools (not affiliated with larger university, sometimes not accredited; focus on state law; offshoots of 19th century night schools). • Licensure: • ABA’s typically push for raising admission/grad standards (increases quality of lawyers, but also decreases quantity; reduces competition). • Bar exams cover basic areas (first exam) and state law (2nd) and ethics (3rd). 77% pass it first-time. • Most states require passage before practice. Some will accept bar passage somewhere else (usually of specific states). Passage anywhere gets you in Federal court. • Bar basically disallows legal practice by non-members. Keeps the business going for lawyers, but mixed results on if it really improves quality of legal representation. 7. Cost of Legal Ed: can cost between $60-150k; half students owe $75k with median $84k (typically $1k a month for 10 years). Salaries not growing at same rate as education expenses. • Work of Lawyers (five duties)

  5. Litigating (most do not) – presenting cases before judges/juries. Must master rules of evidence, but also have insight into the psychological/sociological dynamics of juries, clients, witnesses, and other lawyers (do you support tort reform?). • Representing – lawyers are often used to represent businesses or individuals in settings where their interests are at stake (e.g. regulatory agencies, law-making bodies, public hearings). • Negotiating – most cases are settled out of court. Settlement amount depends greatly on bargaining ability of lawyer. • Drafting documents – ability to remove ambiguity/doubt by writing legal documents (mortgages, divorce papers, especially wills and estates). • Counseling Clients – tend to emotional needs (like doctors). Can lead to tension/conflict between advice of lawyer and desire of client. If client is not knowledgeable of law, more deferential to atty. • Where they work (Table 5-1).

  6. Access to legal services • Criminal defense for poor (right, not privilege; Gideon v. Wainwright, 1963) • Assigned Counsel – lawyer is assigned to case pro bono (for public good; no charge). Typically, they agree to this in order to practice in designated area. 52% of counties use this system. • Public defender (20th cent. response) – salaried lawyers paid by local/state gov’t to represent all poor criminals in jurisdiction. Used in all big cities and most medium-size jurisdictions too. • Controversey of public defender • Advantages – a criminal lawyer (not a lawyer concentrating on civil law) working solely on that case, keeps up with changing law, more experiences, trial-skills sharp. • Criticism – paid employees of gov’t, work buddies with prosecutors and judges (trials may be staged fights). • Civil representation for poor • Contingency fees – most PIs

  7. Minimum fees (informal) for certain non-complicated matters • Legal aid clinics – funded with public monies, often ran by law students.

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