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Chabot Engineering

Degrees, PEs, andSystem Engineering

Bruce Mayer, PE

Licensed Electrical & Mechanical EngineerBMayer@ChabotCollege.edu

outline
Outline
  • Speaker Bio
  • Which Degree; BS, MS, PhD, PE?
  • Systems Engineering
    • What is it?
      • The Defining Attributes
      • How it Differs From CE, ChemE, EE, MatE, ME, etc.
    • Why is it needed?
      • i.e., What is the Value
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Outline cont.1
    • How Do I Prepare for Systems Engineering?
      • Communication
      • Leadership
  • Professional Engineering (PE) License
    • WHAT is it?
    • HOW do I earn it?
      • Application PreReq & Process
      • Effort Level
    • WHY SHOULD I Earn it?
      • CE’s vs. Everyone Else
outline cont 2
Outline cont.2
  • LeaderShip
    • A Critical Engineering Skill
  • College/University Employment Recruiting
    • What Employers are looking for
      • One Recruiter’s Perspective
b mayer prof academic bio 1
MS Electrical Engineering

Stanford, 1991

MS Mechanical Engineering

Stanford, 1983

BS Mechanical Engineering

UCBerkeley, 1978

AS Engineering

Cabrillo College, 1976

Professional Engineering License

Electrical, 2002

Mechanical, 1982

CA Community College Teaching Credential, 1984

B. Mayer Prof/Academic Bio-1
b mayer prof academic bio 2
Engineering Honor Societies

Tau Beta Pi ()

The All-Engineering Equivalent of 

Pi Tau Sigma ()

Mechanical Engrng

Professional Associations

Current Member

ASME

IEEE

Past Member

ASHRAE

NSPE

SID

ACM

Patents

6,846,149 (2005)

6,610,150 (2003)

6,544,345 (2003)

5,122,391 (1992)

U.S. Patent App 20040231588

B. Mayer Prof/Academic Bio-2
b mayer prof academic bio 3
Publications

Journal of Vac. Sci and Tech (2001)

Electrochemical Soc. Proceedings (1997)

IEEE Trans. Semi. Manufacturing (1996)

Thin Solid Films (Elsevier – 1992)

LBL Report EEB-Env-79-2 (1979)

Professional History

Olympus-ITA (2000 → 2003)

Managing Director, System Design & Integration Engineering

Watkins-Johnson Co. (1979 → 2000)

Managing Director, System Design & Integration Engineering

B. Mayer Prof/Academic Bio-3
b mayer prof academic bio 4
Professional History

Watkins-Johnson Co.

Senior Electrical/Process/Mechanical Design Engineer

Flat Panel Deposition Equipment/Process Engineering Manager

APCVD System Design Engineer

Firing Furnace Mechanical DesignEngineer

Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

Research Assistant, Bldg Envelopes Grp

Industry Awards

Semiconductor International Magazine 1994 BEST PRODUCT Award,WJ-1000APCVD Sys.

B. Mayer Prof/Academic Bio-4
which degree for me
Which Degree for Me?
  • A New-Grad Baccalaureate Engineer Must Make a Choice
    • Go To GRADUATESCHOOL IMMEDIATELY
      • If so, then MS or PhD?
    • Enter the PRACTICE of Engineering
      • Go to Graduate School LATER?
      • Limitations of BS-Only?
bs degree pros cons
Proponencies

Quickest Path to Making a Living

Largest Absolute Number of Professional Opportunities

Best Selection of COMPANY and LOCATION

Contraries

Not Sufficient Qualifications for Some Positions

Statistically the Lowest Compensation

Lowest on the Prestige Ladder

But Still MUCH better than any OTHER Type of BS degree

BS-Degree → Pros & Cons
ms degree pros cons
Proponencies

Only 1-1.5 Years After BS Degree

Qualified for Some Research Positions

Not “Over Qualified” for Most BS Positions

Still have Large Selection of Employers & Locations

Contraries

Not Sufficient Qualifications for Pure Research Positions

Extra Work without earning a Title

You’re Still a “Mr.” or a “Ms.”

Only about 25% up the Prestige Ladder

MS-Degree → Pros & Cons
phd degree pros cons
Proponencies

Qualified for the Highest Positions

The Chance to Do ORIGINAL Research

Statistically Best Compensation

Top of the Prestige Ladder

Instant Credibility

Contraries

May be Considered “Over Qualified” for Many Positions

Severely Contracts the Employer & Location Sets

3-4 YEARS of INTENSE Academic Training after the BS

No Salary, Large Student Loans

PhD-Degree → Pros & Cons
caveat emptor
Caveat Emptor
  • Success in the Private Sector is NOT Strictly Tied to Academic Achievement
  • These People Hold Advanced Degrees
    • Jack Welch, CEO General Electric
      • Ph.D. ChemE University of Illinois
    • Andy Grove, CEO Intel Corp.
      • Ph.D., ChemE UCBerkeley
  • These People Do NOT
    • Bill Gates, Chairman MicroSoft
    • Michael Dell, Chairman Dell Computer
    • Larry Ellison, CEO ORACLE Corp
systems engineering
Systems Engineering
  • What is it? → Short Answer
    • Understand the Needs of the CUSTOMER
    • To Design the ARCHITECTURE of a MULTI-ELEMENT SYSTEM (Product and/or Service)
    • Then LEAD Product DESIGN, PROTOTYPING, TESTING, and INTRODUCTION
    • Lead by Determining WHO will do WHAT by WHEN and for HOW MUCH-$
system architecture wj2000a
System Architecture – WJ2000A

B. Mayer

B. Mayer

FSMenagh

RSMurphy

MSWalton

CEErickson

R. Reghitto

HSPaek

L. Harlamoff

AKMcGrogan

MSWalton

CalPoly-SLOAlum

Z. Yuan

DMDobkin

B. Mayer(acting as of 08Nov)

what is a system
A system is a construct or collection of DIFFERENT ELEMENTS that TOGETHER produce results NOT OBTAINABLE by the ELEMENTS ALONE.

The elements, or parts, can include PEOPLE, HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, FACILITIES, POLICIES, and DOCUMENTS

The RESULTS include SYSTEM Level qualities, Properties, Characteristics, Functions, Behavior and PERFORMANCE.

The VALUE ADDED by the system as a whole, beyond that contributed independently by the parts, is primarily CREATED by the RELATIONSHIP AMONG THE PARTS; that is, how they are interconnected

What IS a System?

Courtesy of the International Council on Systems Engineering

why systems engineering
WHY Systems Engineering?
  • Modern Heavily-Engineered Products are Highly INTERDISCIPLINARY
  • UNDERSTANDING and DESIGN of Complex-Component INTERACTION is AS IMPORTANT as the Components themselves
  • SOMEONE has to have a View of the Product From the CUSTOMER/USER Perspective
sysengr characteristics
SysEngr Characteristics
  • A TRUE Technical Position
    • NOT a “Program MANAGER”
  • Some Synonyms
    • Project Engineer
    • System Architect (my Favorite)
    • Product Engineer
  • The Primary TECHNICAL Contact for
    • Customers
    • Company Upper-Management
system performance design rules
System Performance Design Rules
  • USERS of Heavily Engineered systems generally do not specify the detailed performance requirements for the Hardware & Software that comprise the system. Instead the CUSTOMER (often another Engineer) specifies PERFORMANCE criteria such as ThruPut, OutPut Quality, DownTime, etc.
  • System Engineers translate the CUSTOMER PERFORMANCE Requirements into internal HW/SW Design SPECIFICATIONS.
systems engineering owns
Systems Engineering Owns
  • System Architecture
    • Overall Function of the System at a Conceptual Level
    • Customer Interface Documents
      • Facility/Installation Diagram(s)
      • Facility/Host  Communication interface
  • The System Specification that defines
    • System & Subsystem Performance
  • Life Cycle Analysis if Needed
systems engineering owns cont 1
Systems Engineering Owns cont.-1
  • The System Specification that defines System & Subsystem Compliance to industry standards and regulations
    • System Operation (a.k.a. Theory of Operation)
    • Subsystem Interconnects (System integration)
  • The Project Schedule (How Long?)
  • The Project Budget (How Much?)
systems engineering owns cont 2
Systems Engineering Owns cont.-2
  • The Project Implementation Team (Who?)
    • Elements from: Mechanical/Electrical Design, Process, Software, Manuf., etc.
  • Setting Project Priorities (What Next?)
  • Technical Communication to the “Outside World” (Product Education)
    • Internal Sales & Marketing
    • Operations (Manuf, Training, Service)
    • Customers Directly When Needed
sysengr technical side
SysEngr – Technical Side
  • The INCOSE “SIMILAR” Model
  • State the problem
  • Investigate alternatives
  • Model the system
  • Integrate
  • Launch the system,
  • Assess performance
  • Re-evaluate
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APNext™ Generation

ThruPut Enhancement

System Architecture Analysis

Bruce Mayer, PE

Product Development Team Leader

bmayer@svg.com • 14Apr2000

architectural analysis define terms
Architectural Analysis: Define Terms

MODEL

the

SYSTEM

  • General Case APNext™ Chamber
    • m = number of MultiBlok™ Injectors (2 in this example)
    • n = number gas outlets in a MultiBlok™ Injector (3 in this case)
    • k = number of heated chucks (2 in this example)
    • j = number of deposition/coating passes (6 in this example)
define of stroke length terms
Define of Stroke-Length Terms

MODEL

the

SYSTEM

  • In Most Subsequent Analyses
  • Lg = 25 mm
  • Lss = 55 mm
  • P = 60 mm
  • Lcc = 518 mm (300mm)
  • W = 28 mm
  • Lox = 9mm
  • Lmb = 50 mm
  • Lend = 100 mm
velocity gas on time eqns

Adm

Velocity & Gas-On Time Eqns

MODEL

the

SYSTEM

  • Term definitions
    • d = film depth (0.8 µm = 8000 Å)
    • j = number of passes under the injectors (14)
    • m = number of MulitBlok™ Injectors (2)
    • n = number of MultiBlok™ Outlets (2)
    • Adm= Area under Static Print Dep Mound (1595 Å-mm/s)
    • Ltot = Total Translate Path-Length
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MODEL

the

SYSTEM

sysengr special skills
SysEngr Special Skills
  • MUST Be Comfortable In Front of the CUSTOMER
    • When the Sales Engineers Exhaust Their Technical Expertise the SysEngr Takes Over to Explain the Product
  • Effective Communicator
    • Become a POLISHED and PROFESSIONAL Presenter
    • Write CLEARLY and CONCISELY
      • Write a LOT
sysengr special skills1
SysEngr Special Skills
  • Accurate Task SCHEDULER
    • Aim for Massive PARALLELISM
      • Recognize DEPENDENCIES & SEQUENCES
    • Extra Effort to NOT to MISS Anything
  • Accurate L&M $-Cost ESTIMATOR
    • SysEngr OWES Company Management REALISTIC $-Cost Estimates
      • Serves as Input to the Business-Required Return on Investment (RoI) Decisions
overall longterm 3x00 s2 s8 ce schedule
Overall/LongTerm 3x00 S2/S8/CE Schedule

Ref. BMayer file 3100_S2S8CE_0109.mpp

how do i prepare for sysengr
Take Courses OUTSide Your Discipline

Listen Carefully to Product Users

Learn to Write, and Write a lot

Become Comfortable in Front of an Audience

Take LEADERSHIP Positions

INCOSE Cert

How Do I Prepare For SysEngr?
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Excellence thru

CSEP

Balanced Solutions

SE Disciplines Qualifyingfor SE Experience

  • Requirements Engineering
  • Risk and Opportunity Management
  • Baseline Control
  • Technical Planning
  • Technical Effort Assessment
  • Design Development
  • Qualification, Verification, and Validation
  • Process Definition
  • Tool Support
  • Training
  • System Integration
  • Quality Assurance
  • Specialty Engineering

SE Certification

professional engineer license
Professional Engineer License
  • What is it?
    • Defined by the State of California PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS ACT
      • Business and Professions Code § 6700 – 6799
    • §6701. Professional Engineer Defined
      • “Professional engineer”… refers to a person engaged in the professional practice of rendering service or creative work requiring education, training and experience in engineering sciences and the application of special knowledge of the mathematical, physical and engineering sciences in such professional or creative work as consultation, investigation, evaluation, planning or design of public or private utilities, structures, machines, processes, circuits, buildings, equipment or projects, and supervision of construction for the purpose of securing compliance with specifications and design for any such work.
how to earn the license
How to Earn the License
  • Graduate
    • From an ABET-accredited engineering program at a college or university
  • Earn Engineer-in-Training (EIT) Cert
    • Pass the 8-Hour FUNDAMENTALS Exam
      • Take After 3rd Year at an ABET Accredited University
  • Accumulate 6 yrs qualifying experience
    • 4 yrs for BS; 5 yrs for MS or PhD
      • Need at Least ONE year of REAL Experience
  • Pass the 8-Hr, Discipline-Specific Professional Engineer’s Exam
the board s mission
The Board’s Mission
  • From: http://www.pels.ca.gov/pubs/consumer_guide.pdf
  • The Mission of the Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors is to safeguard the life, health, property, and welfare of the public by regulating the practice of professional engineering and land surveying
the board s actions
The Board’s Actions
  • The Board accomplishes its Mission by:
    • Licensing qualified individuals as professional engineers and land surveyors.
    • Anticipating changes in the engineering and land surveying professions to ensure that the laws and regulations are contemporary, relevant, and responsive.
    • Establishing regulations and promoting professional conduct.
    • Enforcing laws and regulations.
    • Providing information so that the public can make informed decisions regarding utilizing professional engineering and land surveying services.
weblinks to forms
WebLinks to forms
  • http://www.pels.ca.gov/pubs/forms/peappform.pdf
  • http://www.pels.ca.gov/applicants/fee_schedule_new.html#application_fees
  • http://www.pels.ca.gov/applicants/exam_fees_to_ncees_prometric.html
  • http://www.pels.ca.gov/applicants/eit_lsitapp.shtml
    • GOOD ONE
takehome exam on ethics
TakeHome Exam on Ethics
  • Covers
    • CA state-laws
    • BOARD FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, LAND SURVEYORS, AND GEOLOGISTS rules
    • Ethics in General
  • http://www.pels.ca.gov/applicants/pe_takehome.pdf
    • Can see actual questions
are the tests hard
EIT → Not so BadAre the TestsHard?
  • PE → Can be Quite Difficult
  • About 60% for CE,EE, and ME
why earn the pe license
Why Earn the PE License?
  • Do I NEED it?
    • Civil Engineers → Absolutely REQUIRED
      • 90+% of CE Work Must Be Approved by A State-Licensed Civil/Structural Engineer
        • CE is PRACTICE REGULATED by the State of Calif.
    • EveryOne Else → NICE to Have
      • 90-95% of Work in the Other Major Disciplines Does NOT require licensure
        • EE and ME are PARTIALLY Practice-Regulated
          • Primarily Those who Work for the State, Cities, and Counties
        • ALL Other Branches are NOT Practice-Regulated
          • Thus NO Regulation-Driven Registration
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About 18% of “Engineers” are Licensed

    • This California Data suggests that ~75% of these are CEs
      • Or about 4.5% of All NonCE “Engineers” are Licensed
        • 56k out of 1250k by BLS Stats
if not ce then why pe
If Not CE, Then Why PE?
  • Licensure DISTINGUISHES you from other Engineers
  • CREDIBILITY when starting your own business or consulting
  • ONLY PE’s Can use the Terms
    • Professional Engineer
    • Consulting Engineer
    • Registered Engineer
if not ce then why pe cont
If Not CE, Then Why PE? (cont)
  • For an engineer, becoming registered or licensed is comparable to
    • A Medical Doctor passing themedical board examination
    • An Lawyer passing the bar examination
    • An Accountant becoming a CPA
  • Thus, becoming a licensed engineer grants you an enhanced status in the eyes of the public, and equates you with professionals licensed in other fields.
if not ce then why pe cont1
If Not CE, Then Why PE? (cont)
  • Only LICENSED PROFESSIONALS are allowed SIGN and SEAL Engineering plans for the Public
  • Licensure is a sign of COMMITMENT to your PROFESSION
  • The PE license Enhances your Potential for Salary-Increases and Promotions
  • Yields a Higher Level of Respect and Credibility among your engineering peers
pe q a
PE Q&A
  • Who Writes the Exam?
    • CA uses FE and PE Exams Written by the National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying (NCEES)
      • Located in Clemson, SC
      • Provides a great deal of information and test-prep Materials
      • http://www.ncees.org/
  • Where are the Exam Sites?
    • San Mateo, Sacramento, Pomona, San Diego
pe q a1
PE Q&A
  • I want to Take the MetalE Exam, but I need THREE Licensed References, AND MetalE is small discipline that is Not Heavily Registered. HOW can I get the Required Refs?
    • The PE Act Exempts from Licensed Refs NonCivil Engineers Practicing in Industry

Plain Language Pamphlet http://www.dca.ca.gov/pels/e_plppe.htm

2: Q26. What constitutes a satisfactory reference in connection with an application?

In California, electrical and mechanical (and other Branches) engineering work performed by employees of the Federal Government, and employees of manufacturing, mining, public utility, research and development, or other industrial corporations is exempt, and thus, such employees may serve as references whether or notthey are licensed as long as they are qualified to appraise the technical competency of the applicant.

pe q a2
PE Q&A
  • HOW and HOW-MUCH Should I Study for the Exam?
  • Lots of Prep Materials Available
    • GOOGLE Search on “California PE Exam Study Course”
      • http://www.pelicense.org/
      • http://ppi2pass.com/catalog/servlet/MyPpi
      • http://www.uclaextension.edu/
  • Plan on Studying the Equivalent of a 5-unit Qtr-Course
    • 15 hrs/wk forabout 11 wks
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Any

Questions?

slide60

Chabot Engineering

Appendix

Bruce Mayer, PE

Licensed Electrical & Mechanical EngineerBMayer@ChabotCollege.edu

state of ca board for professional engineers and land surveyors
State of CA Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
  • Mission Statement
    • The Mission of the Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors is to safeguard the life, health, property, and welfare of the public by regulating the practices of professional engineering and land surveying. The Board accomplishes its Mission by:
      • Licensing qualified individuals as professional engineers and land surveyors.
      • Anticipating changes in the engineering and land surveying professions to ensure that the laws and regulations are contemporary, relevant, and responsive.
      • Establishing regulations and promoting professional conduct.
      • Enforcing laws and regulations.
      • Providing information so that the public can make informed decisions regarding utilizing professional engineering and land surveying services.
state of ca board for professional engineers and land surveyors1
State of CA Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
  • Vision Statement
    • The Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors will have a major role in ensuring that Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors provide the highest quality professional services.
      • Consumers and licensees will have access to comprehensive information through a wide range of technology and facilities.
      • California Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors will possess the knowledge, skills, and abilities enabling them to meet the expectations of clients and consumers.
      • The public will have a high degree of confidence in the engineering and land surveying of roads, bridges, buildings, and other facilities and systems.
system engineering r r roles responsibilities

W A T K I N S - J O H N S O N C O M P A N YSemiconductor Equipment Group

System EngineeringR&R(Roles & Responsibilities)

Bruce Mayer, PE

Product Development Team Leader

bruce.mayer@wj.com • 15Jun99

process performance design rules
Process Performance  Design Rules
  • Users of CVD systems generally do not specify the detailed performance requirements for the Hardware & Software that comprise the system. Instead the CVD process engineer specifies film performance criteria such as film-depth uniformity, or film-doping uniformity.
  • System Engineers translate the Process Performance Specification into HW/SW Design Specifications.
system engineering owns
System Engineering Owns
  • System Architecture
    • Overall Function of the System at a Conceptual Level
    • Customer Interface Documents
      • Facility Diagram
      • Facility/Host  Communication interface
        • Discrete I/O
        • Software Protocol; e.g. SECS/GEM running on TCP/IP
  • The System Specification that defines
    • System & Subsystem Performance
system engineering owns cont 1
System Engineering Owns cont.-1
  • The System Specification that defines System & Subsystem Compliance to industry standards and regulations
    • System Operation (a.k.a. Theory of Operation)
    • Subsystem interconnects (system integration)
      • May specify in detail: Fasteners, Plumbing Fittings, Electrical Connectors, Software Languages
  • The Project Schedule (How Long?)
  • The Project Budget (How Much?)
system engineering owns cont 2
System Engineering Owns cont.-2
  • The Project Implementation Team (Who?)
    • Elements from: Design, Process, Software, etc.
  • Setting Project Priorities (What Next?)
  • Technical Communication to the “outside world”
    • Internal Sales & Marketing
    • Operations (Manuf, Training, Service)
    • Customers Directly When Needed

Q.E.F.

do it right the 1st time
Do It Right the 1st Time?

My Personal Favorite