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CWPAN Opportunity - November 2011

November 2011. CWPAN Opportunity - November 2011. Authors:. Date: 2011-November-09. Name. Company. Address. Phone. email. 5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA, 95054. +1 (321) 751-3958. bkraemer@. marvell. .com. Bruce Kraemer. Marvell.

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CWPAN Opportunity - November 2011

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  1. November 2011 CWPAN Opportunity - November 2011 Authors: Date: 2011-November-09 Name Company Address Phone email 5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA, 95054 +1 (321)751-3958 bkraemer@ marvell .com Bruce Kraemer Marvell Abstract: CWPAN opportunity discussion – November 2011 Slide 1 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  2. Potential Agreement between IEEE 802.11 and CWPAN Presented by Bruce Kraemer Marvell Semiconductor Chair 802.11 bkraemer@ieee.org V01 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  3. Background CWPAN wishes to modify the 11ad specification in ways that were not known of by 11ad during its development including such items as China specific spectrum allocations and channelization. We will refer to the proposed enhanced specification as CWPANad. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  4. Principles of an Agreement IEEE SA and IEEE 802.11 is very interested in helping CWPAN implement their desired extensions as a complement to 802.11ad. It appears that some adjustments to procedures within both organizations could lead to a satisfactory arrangement. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  5. 11ad Investment The participants in the 11ad activities have invested ~50k man hours in the development of the specification. The 802.11ad project is relatively mature and is expected to be completed by the 802.11 working group in October 2011 then enter sponsor ballot and be published in the fall of 2012. The 802.11 community wants to proceed to commercial product launch and will be extremely reluctant to expand the project scope thereby delaying the project completion date. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  6. Principles of an Agreement The 802.11 community requires that the integrity of the 802.11-2007, 802.11-2012 and 802.11ad standards be maintained. The 802.11 community requires all of its amendments, although developed as independent projects, be mutually compatible and also compatible with the base standard. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  7. Principles of an Agreement CWPAN has not yet presented a comprehensive or detailed list of proposed modifications. However, CWPAN might wish to make modifications that cause some CWPANad modes of operation to be non-interoperable with certain modes of operation as defined within the 11ad specification. 11ad needs to reserve the option to suggest modifications to the CWPAN requests that would preserve interoperability and minimize interference. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  8. Principles of an Agreement The 11ad drafts are available to all members of 802.11 and to all attendees of 802.11 meetings. Hence, some, but not all members of CWPAN have direct access to 802.11 drafts. There is a similar problem in obtaining CWPAN information. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  9. Principles of an Agreement In consideration of, and in addition to, items previously mentioned, the 802.11 community believes that the best way to undertake a modification is to open a new project. This means a new study group, new PAR, new Task Group, new amendment project. Lets refer to the project as CWPANad. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  10. Principles of an Agreement 802.11 can reach an agreement to provide copies of drafts for all CWPAN members. Can CWPAN provide equivalent access? Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  11. Principles of an Agreement It is envisioned that a new amendment project could be chaired by a CWPAN principle (such as Xiaoming Peng, Liang Li) with the recognition and acceptance of the arrangements by CESI. For the CWPANad project and it’s interested participants maintaining voting rights in the 802.11 working group will represent a challenge that needs further thought. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  12. Principles of an Agreement Currently all IEEE 802 projects are established with individual voting members. There are entity projects within other Standards Association projects but none within 802. 802 very strongly desires to maintain the individual member voting approach. CWPAN uses entity voting in its process now. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  13. Principles of an Agreement • Among various voting options to consider …. • CWPANad interim meetings could be convened in Beijing or other suitable Asian location. • CWPANad voting rights could be maintained on attendance of CWPANad meetings only Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  14. Principles of an Agreement Or perhaps CWPAN and IEEE 802.11 could agree to provide each other balloting rights. Under this arrangement, CWPANad TG will acknowledge a CWPAN liaison as a single voter, representing the CWPAN interests, on its ballots, and consider its ballot comments and provide considered comment resolutions and CWPAN would acknowledge The 802.11ad liaison would similarly be regarded as a voting entity on the CWPAN ballots. CWPAN consider its ballot comments and provide considered comment resolutions. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  15. CWPAN Response to IEEE 802.11 Proposal Oct 26, 2011 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  16. Background Dr. Bruce Kraemer, Chair of IEEE 802.11, made a proposal on the collaboration between CWPAN and IEEE 802.11 during the 2nd joint meeting on Sept 27, 2011 in Beijing CWPAN gives response to the above proposal in this presentation slide Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  17. Response 1 • [Context in IEEE 802.11 Proposal in Slide 7 & 10] • In consideration of, and in addition to, items previously mentioned, the 802.11 community believes that the best way to undertake a modification is to open a new project. • This means a new study group, new PAR, new Task Group, new amendment project. • Lets refer to the project as CWPANad. • It is envisioned that a new amendment project could be chaired by a CWPAN principle with the recognition and acceptance of the arrangements by CESI. • [CWPAN response]: • Yes, we fully agree. We can start to discuss the details of creating and operating the new study group, new PAR and new Task Group, to amend or define the mmWave standard for China • Yes, we agree that the new amendment project could be chaired by a CWPAN principle Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  18. Response 1 - information • Eldad has offered to serve as a vice-chair of CWPANad. • Bruce, Jon, and Adrian have volunteered to rotate attendance at Asian CWPANad meetings. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  19. Response 2 • [Context in IEEE 802.11 proposal in Slide 8] • 802.11 can reach an agreement to provide copies of drafts for all CWPAN members. • Can CWPAN provide equivalent access? • [CWPAN response]: • CWPAN is willing to open its PG4 (60GHz) specification draft in Chinese to IEEE 802.11 members through the existing liaison channel Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  20. Response 3 (1/2) • [Context in IEEE 802.11 proposal in slide 12] • Among various voting options to consider …. • CWPANad interim meetings could be convened in Beijing or other suitable Asian location. • CWPANad voting rights could be maintained on attendance of CWPANad meetings only • [CWPAN response]: • Meeting arrangement： • It is agreed that CWPANad interim meetings (three meetings per year in January, May and September) are convened in China (Beijing or other cities) or other suitable Asian location. • It is agreed that CWPANad plenary meetings (three meetings per year in March, July and November) are convened in the same place as other task groups • Detailed discussion needs to be done on the arrangement of the meetings fees and registration fees for the above mentioned three interim meetings Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  21. Response 3 (2/2) • [CWPAN response]: • Voting right of CWPANad： • CWPAN agreed the principle of maintaining the voting rights of CWPANad on attendance of CWPANad meetings only • [Obtaining voting right]: It is suggested that participants who attend three CWPANad meetings per year including at least one CWPANad interim meeting will obtain the voting rights of CWPANad • [Maintaining voting right]: It is suggested that participants who has obtained the voting right of CWPANad, needs to attend two CWPANad meetings including at least one CWPANad interim meeting to maintain the voting right. • [Note 1]: Voting right of CWPANad is not equivalent to the voting right of IEEE 802.11. To obtain the voting right of IEEE 802.11, it needs to follow the existing regulation • [Note 2]: We expect CWPANad participants to attend at least one CWPANad interim meeting per year to ensure enough communication and better understanding with Chinese participants Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  22. Summary And Plan • There is a skeleton agreement on a plan for opening a new amendment that would be mutually acceptable to CWPAN and IEEE 802.11. • Some of the details regarding the operation of the Task Group require work. • The IEEE SA staff and officers are aware of the project proposal and support it. • IEEE SA has recently signed an MOU with CCSA. • It is requested that TGad help refine the proposal • It is requested that TGad support a study group request Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

  23. Straw Poll • Do you support the formation of a study group to establish a forum for developing the procedural framework, clarifying the technical goals and developing a PAR and 5C documents focused on CWPAN extensions to 11ad ? Bruce Kraemer, Marvell

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