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Loreto College, Swords. CAO Information Evening Catriona Foley Guidance Counsellor. Agenda. Applicants Responsibilities General points regarding the CAO. Entry Requirements and the Points System. Making an application. How places are allocated by CAO After submitting the application.

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Loreto College, Swords

CAO

Information

Evening

Catriona Foley

Guidance Counsellor


Agenda

Agenda

  • Applicants Responsibilities

  • General points regarding the CAO.

  • Entry Requirements and the Points System.

  • Making an application.

  • How places are allocated by CAO

  • After submitting the application.

  • Other Options

  • Questions


It is the applicants responsibility to

It is the applicants responsibility to:

  • Research thoroughly all the courses for which she is making an application.

  • Be au fait with all aspects of the application system used (CAO) for these courses, i.e., procedures, dates, fees, rules, etc.


Useful resources to assist with course research application

Useful ResourcesTo assist with course research / application

Publications

  • College Prospectuses – 2009 Entry

  • Student Yearbook and Career Directory 2, 2009 ed.

  • Career Choice 2009 ed., Level Three Publications

  • Applying to College 2009 ed., by R. Dunne.

  • CAO Handbook 2009

    Newspapers

  • The Irish Times

    • Tuesdays Education Section

    • Early JanuarySpecial College Supplement Series of articles - Brian Mooney

  • The Independent

    • Careers Articles - Mary O Donnell


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Internet

  • Qualifax – www.qualifax.ie Irish courses database

  • CAO – www.cao.ie Contains links to course websites

  • Career Directions – www.careerdirections.ie

  • Careers Portal – www.careersportal.ie

  • College websites (Addresses in CAO Handbook)

    People

  • Relatives

  • Past pupils

  • Admissions/Academic staff of colleges

    Guidance Counsellor

  • Interest Inventories / Guidance interviews

  • Access to sources of information

  • Appointments for parents


Cao general info

CAO – General Info.

  • Centralised application system for 43 Irish 3rd level institutions, including 5 fee-paying colleges.

  • Every 6th year will have a CAO Application Pack which includes:

    • 2009 CAO Handbook – application and course information

    • Paper application form

    • Application fee bank giro form

  • Application Dates and Fees


Cao general info1

CAO – General Info.

  • There are 3 types of courses students can apply for under the Nat. Qualifications Framework.

  • These are applied for on 2 separate lists on a single form:

  • The courses are clearly labelled in the CAO Handbook

  • N.B. – Care must be taken with courses marked ‘Restricted’.

  • These courses cannot be applied for after February 1st due to extra assessments required.


Restricted entry courses

Restricted Entry Courses

  • Some courses have interviews/ Aptitude tests/ Portfolio/ Auditions

  • Medicine –HPAT test February 14th

  • These courses are called restricted entry

  • Application must be made by the 1st February.

  • Details of all restricted entry courses are in CAO Handbook


Level 8 minimum entry requirement

Level 8 – Minimum Entry Requirement

  • 2 HC3 and 4 Passes

  • Different colleges have different entry requirements

  • Colleges of NUI (UCD, UCC, NUI, M & NUI, G)

  • Have a Second language requirement

  • There are some exceptions now for Science, Engineering and Agriculture Science Courses


Specific faculty requirements

Specific Faculty Requirements

  • Pharmacy

  • UCC & TCD

  • Physiotherapy (TCD)

  • Human Nutrition

  • HC3 in Chemistry & A second Science Subject

  • HC3 in two science subjects

  • HC3 in Chemistry

College Prospectus should always be consulted


Entry requirements these must be satisfied before points are considered

ENTRY REQUIREMENTSThese must be satisfied before “points” are considered.

Minimum Entry Requirements

E.g. UCD

  • Pass 6 subjects

  • At least 2 HC3

  • Pass in:

    • Irish

    • English

    • Another Language

    • Mathematics*

    • Science Subject*

Specific Subject Requirements

E.g.s

Engineering(UCD)

  • HC3 Maths

    Veterinary Medicine(UCD)

  • HC3 Chemistry

    French Law(UCD)

  • HB3 French

If all Entry Requirements are met  applicant is deemed ‘Qualified’ to apply.


Level 6 7

Level 6 & 7

  • 5 passes for most level 6 & level 7 courses although some colleges e.g. DKIT require Minimum 200 points

  • College Prospectuses need to be consulted


Points system

POINTS SYSTEM

Generally in the CAO system

No. of qualified applicants > No. of course places

--> selection system is needed.

Selection system used in Irish 3rd Level Colleges is

POINTS SYSTEM

  • Points are calculated from ONE sitting of the Leaving Certificate only.

  • Points total is calculated from SIX best subjects

  • Bonus points are awarded for Honours Mathematics by

    • University of Limerick - all courses

    • DIT - Course DT021, Electronic Eng.

  • Entry Requirements can be satisfied over more than one sitting of the Leaving Certificate


Points allocation

POINTS ALLOCATION

GradeHonoursOrdinary

A110060

A29050

B18545

B28040

B37535

C17030

C26525

C36020

D15515

D25010

D3455


Making an application

Making an application

  • Applications can be made online or by paper form – use one method only. (€10 charge if 2 applications sent)

  • Always keep proof of sending application: online – print screen receipt, paper – obtain certificate of post.

  • Form is very straight forward to fill out.

  • www.cao.ie

    **VERY IMPORTANT**

  • Students must fill out both course lists in:

    Genuine Order of Preference

  • They should not put down courses on the basis of their predictions of next years cut off points or their own points scores.

  • Why? – Look at how places are allocated.


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Applicant

Position

Applicant

Position

Points

Score

Points

Score

Science – UCD

100 places to be offered

Course

Merit

Lists

Science – Maynooth

100 places to be offered

1

560

1

560

2

535

2

535

3

525

3

525

4

520

4

520

5

510

5

510

6

510

6

510

7

505

7

505

8

500

8

500

9

490

9

490

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

15

455

15

455

16

445

16

445

17

440

17

440

18

435

18

435

19

420

19

420

20

410

20

410

21

405

21

405

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

98

340

98

345

99

335

99

340

100

330

100

335

101

325

101

335

102

315

102

335

103

310

103

315

104

305

104

310

105

295

105

305

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

182

265

182

265

 Last

place to

be filled

 Random Selection to be used

Course Cut Off Points = 330

Course Cut Off Points = 335*


Random entry

Random Entry

  • Two or more candidates on the same points

  • Random number given to each application

  • Highest random Number gets the place

  • Shown by an *

  • For example 370* means not every candidate with 370 points got a place but everyone with 375 would have


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A Students Course Preferences - Example

All Lower Preference Courses Disappear From Students Preferences

Students

Points

Total

= 445

Cut Off Points for Course

NO

NO

YES

YES

NO

YES

NO

YES

YES

YES


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ROUND 2

7 round one places not accepted

3 round one places not accepted

 Last place to

be filled - Round 1

 Last place to

be filled – Round 1

 Last place to

be filled - Round 2

 Last place to

be filled - Round 2

Round 2 cut off points - 455

Round 2 cut off points - 460


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So – what is the best way to fill in the courses?

Dream Courses

Realistic Courses

Banker Courses


Places allocation

Places Allocation

Note:

  • The position of a course in a student’s preference order does not in any way affect their chance of getting a place on that course.

  • The exact same procedure takes place for both lists on the form, hence students may get get 2 offers in August – one from each list, may accept only one.

  • Students should think carefully about not accepting one of these offers, as they may not receive any further offers.

  • Regardless of whether or not they accept a course in round 1, they will still be offered a higher preference course in subsequent rounds if they become entitled one.


Nursing

Nursing

  • Apply directly to CAO

  • Level 8

    Five Areas

  • General

  • Integrated (4.5 Years- General & Children)

  • Midwifery

  • Psychiatric

  • Intellectual Disability Nursing


Minimum entry requirement

Minimum Entry Requirement

  • 2HC3 and four passes

  • Irish or English

  • Mathematics

  • A Laboratory Science Subject

  • Three other subjects

  • Minimum points 2008

  • 300-365


After making application

After Making Application

  • Receive CAO number and Statement of Course Choices – check this carefully.

  • Some students may be called for extra assessments.

  • Receive Statement of Application Record – check details carefully.

  • Change of Mind facility becomes available – use sparingly and carefully.

  • Leaving Cert. Results are sent to CAO.

  • Places are allocated and offered by post and online.

  • Students accept, reject or defer offered places.

  • Further rounds of offers are made until all course places are filled.


Cao timetable 2009 entry

CAO TIMETABLE 2009 ENTRY

  • 1st February, 2009

    • Closing date for receipt of normal applications

  • Before/By 21st February, 2009

    • Receive Statement of Course Choices

  • 1st May, 2009

    • Closing date for receipt of late applications

  • Before/By 31st May, 2009

    • Receive Statement of Application Record

  • From late May, 2009

    • Change of mind forms may be sent.

  • 1st July, 2009

    • Latest date for receipt of change of mind form in CAO.

  • Late August, 2009

    • First round of offers will commence.


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Deferral

This is arranged AFTER an offer is made. (Read the CAO Handbook about this.)

You are recommended to check with the college in advance about their deferral conditions and arrangements.

The CAO Handbook mentions some courses where deferral will be difficult or impossible.


Non cao options

Non- CAO Options

Apprenticeships

Defence Forces

Gardaí

Fáilte Ireland

Direct to Employment

Post Leaving Certificate Courses

FETAC links scheme


Apprenticeships

Apprenticeships

Find a suitable employer

Must be approved by Fás

Employer must register apprentice within two weeks of starting

Meet the minimum educational requirements ie 5 Passes in Junior Cert.


Further education training awards council

Further Education Training Awards Council

FETAC Links to Higher Education Institutes

Especially Important for Students who may not make the CAO Points

Can begin with a PLC and end up with a Doctorate

Mature Entry to College (age 23 or over)


Other alternatives

Other Alternatives

UCAS

Applying to colleges in UK and Northern Ireland

Closing Date 15th January except for Medicine, Dentistry, Vet, Oxford & Cambridge closing date 15th October

Fees are applicable.

Must apply online using UCAS Apply

Personal statement is very important


National framework of qualifications 10 levels

National Framework of Qualifications10 Levels

Level 4

Leaving Cert

Level 5/6

(former Cert./Diploma)

PLC, FETAC, VEC

Level 7

Ordinary Degree

I.T.s,NUI

Level 8

Honours Degree

I.T.s, NUI


Destination survey 2008

Destination Survey 2008


Institutions of choice 2008

Institutions of choice 2008


Grants

Grants

Higher Education Grants

Applies to Level 8 Courses

Vocational Education Committees

Level 6 & Level 7 courses

Post Leaving Certificate

All PLC courses


Means tested

Means Tested

HEA - Local County Council

VEC – County Dublin Apply to VEC office in Tallaght

PLC- to college attending

Applications by 15th July. Late applications are accepted

Log on to www.studentfinance.ie for further information


Paving the way

Paving the Way

Goal Setting

Attendance, Study & Homework

Examination Techniques

Part-time jobs must go!!

Keep up Sporting Activities

Relax!


Dates of interest

DATES OF INTEREST

Monday 17th November – 6th Year PTM

Monday 24th November at 7.30pm - Study Skills Talk for parents

Monday December 15th- Study Skills Seminar

February 1st- CAO Deadline

January 20th -CAO online‘Early Bird’ – €35

February – Mocks

March – Mock Interviews

June – Leaving Cert. begins

August 12th- Results

August 17th- First Round offers


Homework and study

Homework and Study

The recommended amount of time spent by a 6th Year student doing homework and study should be:

3 ½ hours per night six times per week, i.e. 21 hours per week.


The world is your oyster

The World is Your Oyster

Aim high

Match the Goal with the necessary work

Never too late


Lifelong learning

LIFELONG LEARNING

The journey is only beginning……..


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