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Something about john l austin

Something About John L. Austin

Go Figure: reflective summary


Aristotle

Aristotle

“Liveliness is got by using the proportional type of metaphor and by making our hearers see things. We have still to explain what we mean by their “seeing things,” and what must be done to effect this.” – Rhetoric, Book III


Metaphor three questions

Metaphor: three questions

Q1. Output: what is delivered through engagement with metaphor? What is it to “see things” through metaphor?

What further functions can it serve? Insight, understanding, communication, &c.


Metaphor three questions1

Metaphor: three questions

Q2. Mechanism: How is the output delivered? What processes, rules, transitions figure in deriving the output?


Metaphor three questions2

Metaphor: three questions

Q3. Input: what is the input to the mechanism? What raw materials does the mechanism work in order to deliver the output?


Psychology and or norms

Psychology and/or norms

Questions about how (some, most, all) humans will respond, what the output will be for them.

Questions about how it would be correct, apt, appropriate, &c., to respond.

These types of questions might be connected.


Multiple answers

Multiple answers?

Is there one core effect?

Is verbal metaphor grouped with other phenomena? Visual metaphor, jokes, &c.?

Is verbal metaphor a congeries of more basic phenomena?


Mitchell green

Mitchell Green

Defends and develops a form of Davidsonic, imagery-based account of output.

Idea of self-expression figured in the development:

Designedly showing an introspectible state.


Mitchell green1

Mitchell Green

Is imagery necessary?

E.g., black holes: actually quite hard to visualise.

Answer: more general conception of output, but is there an illuminating, general characterization of output?


Mitchell green2

Mitchell Green

Could one have merely cognitive metaphors, with only propositional output?


Mitchell green3

Mitchell Green

Is imagery sufficient?

Must distinctive cognitive outputs also be involved?

Perhaps other outputs—e.g. implicatures, assertions, &c.—are merely associated with metaphor, and not core. But how can we adjudicate that?


Mitchell green4

Mitchell Green

What is the function is self-expression in the account?

Fundamental to understanding the nature of metaphor?

Non-fundamental but figures in the account of communicative function and aptness?


Anne bezuidenhout

Anne Bezuidenhout

Question: is analogy fundamental to categorization?

Hofstadter &Sander: yes (I think).

Anne: No, analogy rests on distinct form of categorization.


Anne bezuidenhout1

Anne Bezuidenhout

Can the issues here be conceived of along the lines of a Kantian problematic about the application of concepts to particulars?


Anne bezuidenhout2

Anne Bezuidenhout

Concept application to particulars is (seems to be) rule-governed.

Rules are (seem to be) framed in terms only of concepts, and do not involve particulars.


Anne bezuidenhout3

Anne Bezuidenhout

Appeal to something more primitive than rules seems to be required, perhaps to some form of mechanism.

One might hope that appeal to analogy could help.


Anne bezuidenhout4

Anne Bezuidenhout

Anne wants to claim that categorization is more fundamental than analogy.

But it seems that application at the fundamental level can’t appeal to more primitive categorization, so (seemingly) cannot be rule-governed.


Anne bezuidenhout5

Anne Bezuidenhout

So, we need an account of categorization on which it’s not governed by sensitivity to rules and yet (plausibly) determines standards of correctness, aptness, &c.

Until we have an account of fundamental categorization, its hard to adjudicate the issue.


Stephen schiffer

Stephen Schiffer

Rejects a roughly Gricean account, on which output is something like propositions, which figure centrally in appreciation of metaphor.

Defends a (roughly) Davidsonian account, on which output is non-propositional.


Stephen schiffer1

Stephen Schiffer

Is Stephen’s claim that no metaphor works by being used to express propositions, or that most don’t, or that expressing a proposition is never fundamental?


Stephen schiffer2

Stephen Schiffer

What is the output, if not propositions?

Analogy with jokes.

Can we say more about output?


Stephen schiffer3

Stephen Schiffer

Not a question for philosophers.

Why not?

A question for psychologists?

But can psychologists address questions about about correctness, aptness, &c., in our appreciation of metaphor?


Ofra magidor

OfraMagidor

Question about input: what is available as input?

Some X is needed as input (meanings, propositions&c.)

It’s been claimed that X is absent in cases of category mistake, typical of metaphors.

Can’t have I. and II.


Ofra magidor1

OfraMagidor

How should we think of what, if anything, category mistakes precludek: is it meaning, truth-conditions, propositions, truth? (Mitch and Stephen both suggested the last.)

How do the grounds for thinking category mistakes lack something support one or another view here?


Ofra magidor2

OfraMagidor

What is needed as input for metaphor?

Would meaning suffice—perhaps conceived as determining constraints on expressed propositions—even if it fails to determine truth-conditions, propositions, truth?


Ofra magidor3

OfraMagidor

It’s only if what’s absent = what’s needed as input that we get into trouble.

If meaning can serve as input, while category mistakes induce absence only of propositions, then there’s no problem.


Emma borg

Emma Borg

Defends a form of minimalism about what is said:

roughly, what is said is determined in a mechanistic way on the basis of lexical meaning and constant projection through structure.


Emma borg1

Emma Borg

Focus on whether explicatureplays an important role in (e.g.) the mechanism of implicature determination, metaphor appreciation, &c.


Emma borg2

Emma Borg

Insofar as what’s said is determined by, or dependent upon, speaker’s intentions, it’s not clear that it can’t depart from what’s determined by sentence-meaning in all sorts of ways.

It isn’t clear that even where that happens, we can’t distinguish (say) what’s said from what’s merely implicated.


Emma borg3

Emma Borg

For example, perhaps, as Davidson suggests, what’s said, rather than implicated, is the first Grice-intended proposition in the chain of derivations of the things that are communicated.

Could something like that have affinities with explicature?


Emma borg4

Emma Borg

Also not clear that metaphor is an especially good probe for such issues about input.

Perhaps it would be if output were propositional, but it’s not clear that it is. E.g., it isn’t on a Davidsonic model. So not clear that metaphor output imposes sufficiently discriminating constraints on input.


John barnden

John Barnden

Appeals to metaphor as a means for ordinary folk to engage with the complexities of propositional attitude psychology.


John barnden1

John Barnden

The idea is that metaphor can support sensitivity to (some of) the complexities in a way that bypasses grasp of correct theories of propositional attitudes.


John barnden2

John Barnden

One question about the proposal concerns the alleged problem: is it really significant (if true) that theorists and folk appear to diverge in their appreciation of theories about propositional attitudes?


John barnden3

John Barnden

A second question arises on the supposition that it is significant. Isn’t this type of divergence to be dealt with precisely by a theory of theorists and folk subjects’ propositional attitudes—in this case attitudes about attitudes?


John barnden4

John Barnden

A third very general question/worry here is whether (or to what extent) the proposal replaces a puzzle—how do folk engage with propositional attitudes—with an enigma: how does engagement with metaphor facilitate insight, understanding, cognitive practice?


John barnden5

John Barnden

It’s anyway plausible that proper evaluation of the proposal will interact closely with further work on the relevant issues about metaphor per se.


Something about john l austin

Something About John L. Austin

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