Guidance Information for Parents of 6 th Years. Deirdre Griffin Guidance Counsellor 20 th November, 2013. Structure of presentation. Preamble – The Leaving Cert Year Choices after school and National Framework of Qualifications Post Leaving Cert courses –PLCs UCAS applications
20th November, 2013
Very stressful and anxiety provoking year for students and parents
Very important that they work steadily – ‘park’ things as they come up. Avoid procrastination…. Anxiety builds.
Nutrition, EXERCISE, sleep- structure is important
Avoid overconsumption (alcohol, coffee- stimulants…….depressing effect)
Avoid peaks and dips- need to arrive at 4th June in good condition!
College of Commerce – www.corkcollegeofcommerce.ie
ColaisteStiofainNaofa – www.csn.ie
St. Johns Central College – www.stjohnscollege.ie
Kinsale College of Further Ed – www.kinsalecollegeoffe.ie
Apply from December on the above websites directly to college. Interviews in Feb/March, May and August
Some courses are competitive (eg Hairdressing and Childcare so apply early)
Offer a range of courses, mostly to FETAC Level 5 (1 year), some to Level 6 (2 years)
Possibility of entry to Higher Education Institutions (HEI) on completion of course
Entry requirements - usually 5 passes in Leaving Cert and interview
Some fees, some charges (proportion covered by grant if applicable)
CAO Handbook (all rules/all courses)
46 Higher Education Institutions (HEI) covering Universities, Institutes of Technology, Art Colleges, Specialist Colleges and some Private Colleges (Colleges not covered by the Free Fees Scheme)
The HEI’s offer Level 6 (Higher Cert), Level 7 (Ordinary Degrees) and Level 8 (Honour Degrees) courses
November 5th 2013: CAO opens
Register before Jan 20th avail of discounted fee € 25
Normal closing date 1 Feb € 40
All restricted courses MUST be in choice list before 1 Feb
5th May to 1st of July change of mind facility (change order of courses) Free
Statement of application record posted by the end of May – READ IT!
18th Aug - Round one offers (accept by 25th Aug)
27th Aug – Round two offers (accept by 3rd Sept)
A restricted course is any course which requires more then entry requirements and points for entry (auditions – music/drama, portfolio – Art, HPAT – Medicine)
If a student is applying to a restricted course this MUST be in list by February 1st.
Restricted courses are clearly highlighted in the CAO handbook.
After 1st Feb you can change order or delete course, but you cannot generally introduce it as auditions, portfolio etc dates are arranged for Feb/Mar/April
Ability / Interests - KNOW YOURSELF
Subjects (in the course) - Look at college calender or book of modules for each course to see WHAT will be studied in each year of course
Style of learning – How is course taught (Theory/Practical/Combination of both)
Geographical location (support systems)
Finance (Costs and grants)
Specific v broad courses (personal value system)
Research and talk to people, open days, email course directors (information is power..)
Back up Plan
Level 8 (Hons Degree) 2HC3 + 4H/OD3 to include English, Irish, Maths, Other Language……(This is a general rule with lots of exceptions. Arts programmes - no maths requirement, sciences/Healthcare – no language requirement but Lab Science requirement, Hons Engineering HC3 Maths, Primary School Teaching 3HC3 one to be Irish,
Level 6/7 (Higher Certificate/Ord Degree – generally offered in IOTs ) –Passes in five subjects to include specific subjects (eg, Maths and English etc)
FOR EVERY COURSE ENTRY, REQUIREMNTS MUST BE CHECKED. If all Entry Requirements are met THEN applicant is deemed ‘Qualified’ to apply, only THEN do the points become relevant.
The CAO Handbook lists the courses and course codes. All up to date information is on www.cao.ie
The responsibility for ensuring a correct application lies with each applicant.
Applicants to the CAO may choose up to 10 Level 8 Courses and up to 10 Level 6/7 Courses
Students may delete, change order or add courses (except restricted ones) during the Change of Mind period (early May -1st July) with some minimal restrictions
Students sometimes do not pay enough attention to the ladder route available in IOT’s
Starting from a Level 6 course, students may progress onto a Level 7 and then onto a Level 8 course.
Pay attention to Level 6/7 course options. Keep all options open. These choices may bring you to where you want to go…….
CAO checks entry requirements
HEI release how many places for each course
CAO place each candidate in a queue for each of their course preferences, beginning with their first and moving down through second, third etc until they are in a position to offer a course.
Eg. 10 places for a course, 20 apply first preference. Person with top score front of queue and others fall in behind. The person who gets in on tenth place, it is their points that are the ‘cut off’ (points for course). If there are three candidates for last place then their random number applies and the candidate with highest random number gets it.
If candidates refuse an offer then those places reissued to next in queue in round 2….. Then round 3 till places are filled.
Applicant HONS MATHS
100 places to be offered
100 places to be offered
Random Selection to be used
Course Cut Off Points = 330
Course Cut Off Points = 335*
It is a mistake to rate the quality of degrees by their entry points.
Points only indicate supply and demand.
The points reflect the number of places available on each course and represent the score achieved by the last student to be offered a place.
If a number of students are tied on points for the last place, then students are picked randomly. Denoted by an * - e.g. 385*
A WORD OF CAUTION: IF YOU ARE FILLING IN ALL 10 CHOICES, ONLY CHOOSE COURSES THAT YOU WOULD BE HAPPY WITH – DON’T ‘THROW IN’ A COURSE!
Sample Applicant with score of 425 points HONS MATHS
Hons degree level 8 Higher Cert/Ord degree level 6/7
1. Business Studies CIT 250
2. Business Admin CIT 210
3. Tourism CIT 225
4. Computing CIT 290
5. Business WIT 200
6. Business /Tourism WIT 210
7. Recreation /Leisure CIT 330
8. Business Studies ITT 190
9. Office Info System ITT 210
10. Computing ITT 225
No Longer Considered
No Longer Considered
It is a mistake to base choice of course only on a students present expectation of examination performance or on the points of previous years
Again GENUINE ORDER OF PREFERENCE is the best way of ensuring students end up where they want to end up
Some students change order of preference as a reaction to the experience of doing their exams. This is a mistake.(They may do this without informing parents)….
Preferably final choice done by end May
You are assigned a CAO number, which you keep and quote on all correspondences
An initial acknowledgment is sent by email
Statement of Application Record by end May at the latest. This should be READ carefully to ensure all information is correct. If not, contact CAO immediately.
After changes of mind, final Statement of Application sent before 7th July
Read page 5 of handbook
Do not accept the offer in the manner shown on the CAO Offer Notice.
Email or write immediately to the Admissions Office of the particular college setting out the reason(s) for the request. Mark 'Deferred Entry' clearly on the subject line/envelope. This must be received by college at least two days before the reply date on offer.
If accepted the deferral is held for one year. The following year you reapply through CAO only choosing your deferred course and tick the deferral box on application
HEAR is a 3rd level admissions scheme for students from socio economically disadvantaged backgrounds
16 HEIs participate – UCC, UCD, DCU, DIT, UCG, TCD, UL, NUIM and teacher training colleges
Students who are eligible for HEAR compete for a number of reduced points places, but they still need to meet minimum and specific entry requirements
Eligibility depends on financial means and also socio-economic background
DARE is a 3rd level scheme to allow students with disabilities to compete for one of a number of reserved places in HEIs on a reduced points basis.
A large variety of disabilities included, from learning difficulties to mental health conditions to specific long term illnesses
Medical/Psychological Evidence of Disability required
18 HEIs participate including – UCC, CIT, DIT, AIT, DCU, NCI, NUIG, NUIM, Pontifical Maynooth, UCD, TCD, UL, Mater Dei
Both forms are optional ‘add-ons’ on CAO Form
Both forms need to be completed by 1st March.
Supporting documents to arrive to CAO by 1st April.
HEAR and DARE advice clinic on Jan 11th 2014, 10am - 2pm in UCC at De Vere Hall, Student Centre. All HEAR and DARE applicants with their parents/guardians should attend this session.
Practice workbook available online, if completed and brought to Advice Clinic, you are in a better position to get exact advice.
Website : www.accesscollege.ie
Students can apply to PLCs (Post Leaving Cert courses in any or all of the Further Education Colleges) plus CAO, plus UCAS (English colleges) if they so choose
Be realistic- know yourself
Cost of going to college HONS MATHS
Clothes, laundry, etc… €45
Local Travel €80
Social Life, other travel, miscellaneous €140
Total per month €1,035
Yearly Total (8 months) €8,280
Source: DCU Student Affairs
The search for college accommodation starts early each year.
If your son or daughter is hoping to secure on-campus accommodation it would be worthwhile contacting the relevant colleges now to enquire about reserving a place.
Colleges generally manage the on-campus accommodation themselves
Payment is usually made in 2 instalments (Sept and Dec)
NUI Maynooth – Bookings on-line from early Dec. Places allocated by lottery. No deposit necessary until places are offered to students after they accept their CAO offer. Residence office 01 7083322 or www.residence.nuim.ie
NUI Galway – Bookings taken in February. Deposit of approx €800 (€700 returned if place not taken up). Office 091-492364 or www.nuigalway.ie/accommodation
Most colleges also have off-campus accommodation
Digs are an excellent option for parents as there is a set price and meals & bills are included.
Again if you contact the accommodation offices of the HEI’s they will give you advice and have lists of digs. Usually list available in May or can arrange when a student has received a place in a HEI
The student grant is the main source of financial help available to students in full time Post Leaving Cert courses or Higher Education undergraduate courses
It is means tested, taking into account income during previous tax year. It considers gross income, number of dependants in family, number of dependants in college and distance between normal residence and college.
Applications are made through a central application online system, Student Universal Support Ireland (SUSI).
Applications open usually in March/April (notification in the press) and must be received before the end of August.
All information (including application guide video) on www.studentfinance.ie
For grant applications next Spring the reckonable income looked at is between Jan 1st 2013 and Dec 31st 2013
The grant offers financial support to cover maintenance, student contribution fee and field trip fees. (Tuition or course cost fees are covered for all EU students under the Free Fees Scheme)
The Student Contribution Fee is a fee charged by colleges/universities. The fee will be €2, 750 in 2014-15 and €3,000 in 2015/16
If you qualify, the level of maintenance paid towards living costs will be calculated at 100%, 75%, 50% or 25%
It is often not paid until very late in the first term so be prepared
If they drop out of their course or fail and have to repeat a year, there are implications for grant and tuition payments. Check with the relevant HEI for details.
A supplementary fund to assist students
Applied for after entry to college
Not intended for fees, tuition but rather for rent, heat, food and basic living expenses, as well as emergencies, etc.
Administered by the individual Colleges
Documentation of expenses and income will be requested and student may be interviewed.
Entrance scholarships are awarded by HEI’s on the basis of Leaving Cert results. The HEI’s inform students.
Other scholarships (sport, GAA, etc) or special scholarships (technology, business etc) need to be applied for to particular college/university. All details are on particular college websites. (UCC Quercus Scholarship)
Expected date of issue – Wed., 13th August.
Results are available in school or from 12pm, online on www.examinations.ie or by phone from the DES (both methods with exam no. and pin)
In results envelope there is a request form to view scripts. It’s free to view them so return this form to office by due date. Viewing is in school in late Aug/early Sept.
After viewing scripts, there is the option to appeal the result @cost of €40 per appeal.
Appeal application early Sept.
Appeals back in early/mid October
Money returned if appeal successful. Statistically 20% upgraded
Leaving cert holiday – timing.
Students should be around for results, offers, interviews, registration, orientation.
CAO change of mind opens 1st May until 1st July. It is not recommended to change choices based on assumed poor performance in exams
Students should be applying to all levels of courses (PLC as well as CAO 6/7 and 8) and have back up plans.
Unfortunately students are sometimes unhappy with course choices
If a student drops out they need to deregister
If they deregister by 1st Oct, you usually get 85% of registration back and students don’t lose their free fees entitlement
If students deregister by Jan, they do not get registration costs back but will be entitled to half fees the following year
Fees will not be paid for a second chance at the same year (either through failure or change of mind)
When the Leaving Cert Results come out usually there are staff in the school, including guidance counsellors.
On the day of Round One CAO offers one or both of the guidance counsellors will be in the school to deal with queries either on the phone or in person from approx 11 til 2
“It's a funny thing, how much time we spend planning our lives. We so convince ourselves of what we want to do, that sometimes we don't see what we're meant to do.” ― Susan Gregg Gilmore
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