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Guidance Information for Parents of 6 th Years. Deirdre Griffin Guidance Counsellor 20 th November, 2013. Structure of presentation. Preamble – The Leaving Cert Year Choices after school and National Framework of Qualifications Post Leaving Cert courses –PLCs UCAS applications

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Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

Guidance Informationfor Parents of 6th Years

Deirdre Griffin

Guidance Counsellor

20th November, 2013


Structure of presentation

Structure of presentation

  • Preamble – The Leaving Cert Year

  • Choices after school and National Framework of Qualifications

  • Post Leaving Cert courses –PLCs

  • UCAS applications

  • The CAO process

    • The HEAR application process (Higher Education Access Route to Education)

    • The DARE application process (Disability Access Route to Education)

  • The Finance (cost of college, grants SUSI - Student Universal Support Ireland)

  • Accommodation


Leaving cert year

LEAVING CERT YEAR

Very stressful and anxiety provoking year for students and parents

Very important that they work steadily – ‘park’ things as they come up. Avoid procrastination…. Anxiety builds.

Nutrition, EXERCISE, sleep- structure is important

Avoid overconsumption (alcohol, coffee- stimulants…….depressing effect)

Avoid peaks and dips- need to arrive at 4th June in good condition!


Leaving cert year1

LEAVING CERT YEAR

  • Their mental health/emotional health very important…..

    • Media and Leaving Cert,

    • Projections of parents..

    • Projections of school……

    • Choose one thing!

    • Their personal transition, how the navigate it – huge opportunity for ‘personal learning’


Options after the leaving certificate

OPTIONS after the Leaving Certificate


National framework of qualifications

National Framework of Qualifications


Www nfq ie

www.nfq.ie


National framework of qualifications1

NATIONAL FRAMEWORK OF QUALIFICATIONS

  • Level 5/6 Certificate/Advanced Certificate

    • FETAC (Further Education and Training Awards Council- PLC’s)

  • Level 6 Higher Certificate

    • (IOTs Institutes of Technology)

  • Level 7 Ordinary Bachelor Degree

    • (IOTs, Colleges, Universities)

  • Level 8 Honours Bachelor Degree

    • (IOTs, Colleges, Universities)


Links and progression

Links and progression

  • Progression/links from FE (Further Education Colleges –FETAC) to HEI ( IOTs, Colleges/Universities

  • Certain number of places at HEI in various courses held for FETAC students who achieve distinctions in courses specific modules

  • So students can progress on the ladder system for level 5 to level 6/7/8


1 post leaving cert courses main providers in cork

1) POST LEAVING CERT COURSESMain Providers in Cork

College of Commerce – www.corkcollegeofcommerce.ie

ColaisteStiofainNaofa – www.csn.ie

St. Johns Central College – www.stjohnscollege.ie

Kinsale College of Further Ed – www.kinsalecollegeoffe.ie

Apply from December on the above websites directly to college. Interviews in Feb/March, May and August

Some courses are competitive (eg Hairdressing and Childcare so apply early)


Post leaving cert courses plc s colleges of further education

POST LEAVING CERT COURSES (PLC’s) – Colleges of Further Education

Offer a range of courses, mostly to FETAC Level 5 (1 year), some to Level 6 (2 years)

Possibility of entry to Higher Education Institutions (HEI) on completion of course

Entry requirements - usually 5 passes in Leaving Cert and interview

Some fees, some charges (proportion covered by grant if applicable)


Eg colaiste stiofan naofa

EgColaisteStiofanNaofa


Kinsale college of further education

Kinsale College of Further Education


2 ucas applications

2) UCAS APPLICATIONS

  • UCAS (UK) Sept to Jan apply online

    • OCT 15th deadline for Med, Vet, Dent

    • Jan 15th All other courses


3 cao applications

3) CAO APPLICATIONS


Central applications office cao

Central Applications Office – CAO

CAO Handbook (all rules/all courses)

46 Higher Education Institutions (HEI) covering Universities, Institutes of Technology, Art Colleges, Specialist Colleges and some Private Colleges (Colleges not covered by the Free Fees Scheme)

The HEI’s offer Level 6 (Higher Cert), Level 7 (Ordinary Degrees) and Level 8 (Honour Degrees) courses


Important dates for cao

Important dates for CAO

November 5th 2013: CAO opens

Register before Jan 20th avail of discounted fee € 25

Normal closing date 1 Feb € 40

All restricted courses MUST be in choice list before 1 Feb

5th May to 1st of July change of mind facility (change order of courses) Free

Statement of application record posted by the end of May – READ IT!

18th Aug - Round one offers (accept by 25th Aug)

27th Aug – Round two offers (accept by 3rd Sept)


Restricted courses

RESTRICTED COURSES

A restricted course is any course which requires more then entry requirements and points for entry (auditions – music/drama, portfolio – Art, HPAT – Medicine)

If a student is applying to a restricted course this MUST be in list by February 1st.

Restricted courses are clearly highlighted in the CAO handbook.

After 1st Feb you can change order or delete course, but you cannot generally introduce it as auditions, portfolio etc dates are arranged for Feb/Mar/April


Issues which influence course choices

ISSUES WHICH INFLUENCE COURSE CHOICES

Ability / Interests - KNOW YOURSELF

Subjects (in the course) - Look at college calender or book of modules for each course to see WHAT will be studied in each year of course

Style of learning – How is course taught (Theory/Practical/Combination of both)

Geographical location (support systems)

Finance (Costs and grants)

Specific v broad courses (personal value system)

Career Implications

Research and talk to people, open days, email course directors (information is power..)

FRIENDS’ DECISIONS………..

Back up Plan


Research

Research

  • www.cao.ie

  • www.qualifax.ie (courses)

  • www.careersportal.ie (very comprehensive courses/careers)

  • www.careerdirections.ie (careers)

  • www.postgradireland.com

  • College Prospectus

  • College web sites

  • CAO handbook


Entry requirements

Entry Requirements

Level 8 (Hons Degree) 2HC3 + 4H/OD3 to include English, Irish, Maths, Other Language……(This is a general rule with lots of exceptions. Arts programmes - no maths requirement, sciences/Healthcare – no language requirement but Lab Science requirement, Hons Engineering HC3 Maths, Primary School Teaching 3HC3 one to be Irish,

Level 6/7 (Higher Certificate/Ord Degree – generally offered in IOTs ) –Passes in five subjects to include specific subjects (eg, Maths and English etc)

FOR EVERY COURSE ENTRY, REQUIREMNTS MUST BE CHECKED. If all Entry Requirements are met THEN applicant is deemed ‘Qualified’ to apply, only THEN do the points become relevant.


Points to note

POINTS TO NOTE

The CAO Handbook lists the courses and course codes. All up to date information is on www.cao.ie

The responsibility for ensuring a correct application lies with each applicant.

Applicants to the CAO may choose up to 10 Level 8 Courses and up to 10 Level 6/7 Courses

Students may delete, change order or add courses (except restricted ones) during the Change of Mind period (early May -1st July) with some minimal restrictions


Course selection iot s

COURSE SELECTION – IOT’s

Students sometimes do not pay enough attention to the ladder route available in IOT’s

Starting from a Level 6 course, students may progress onto a Level 7 and then onto a Level 8 course.

Pay attention to Level 6/7 course options. Keep all options open. These choices may bring you to where you want to go…….


Leaving cert points

LEAVING CERT POINTS


Two examples of leaving cert points with bonus 25 points for hons maths

TWO EXAMPLES OF LEAVING CERT POINTS WITH BONUS 25 POINTS FOR HONS MATHS


How does it work

HOW DOES IT WORK

CAO checks entry requirements

HEI release how many places for each course

CAO place each candidate in a queue for each of their course preferences, beginning with their first and moving down through second, third etc until they are in a position to offer a course.

Eg. 10 places for a course, 20 apply first preference. Person with top score front of queue and others fall in behind. The person who gets in on tenth place, it is their points that are the ‘cut off’ (points for course). If there are three candidates for last place then their random number applies and the candidate with highest random number gets it.

If candidates refuse an offer then those places reissued to next in queue in round 2….. Then round 3 till places are filled.


Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

Applicant

Position

Applicant

Position

Points

Score

Points

Score

Course

Merit

Lists

1

560

1

560

2

535

2

535

3

525

3

525

4

520

4

520

5

510

5

510

6

510

6

510

7

505

7

505

8

500

8

500

9

490

9

490

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

15

455

15

455

16

445

16

445

17

440

17

440

18

435

18

435

19

420

19

420

20

410

20

410

21

405

21

405

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

98

340

98

345

99

335

99

340

100

330

100

335

101

325

101

335

102

315

102

335

103

310

103

315

104

305

104

310

105

295

105

305

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

--

182

265

182

265

Course with

100 places to be offered

Course with

100 places to be offered

 Last

place to

be filled

 Random Selection to be used

Course Cut Off Points = 330

Course Cut Off Points = 335*


Order of preference

ORDER OF PREFERENCE

It is a mistake to rate the quality of degrees by their entry points.

Points only indicate supply and demand.

The points reflect the number of places available on each course and represent the score achieved by the last student to be offered a place.

If a number of students are tied on points for the last place, then students are picked randomly. Denoted by an * - e.g. 385*


Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

So – what is the best way to fill in the courses?

Dream Courses

A WORD OF CAUTION: IF YOU ARE FILLING IN ALL 10 CHOICES, ONLY CHOOSE COURSES THAT YOU WOULD BE HAPPY WITH – DON’T ‘THROW IN’ A COURSE!

Realistic Courses

Banker Courses


Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

Sample Applicant with score of 425 points

Hons degree level 8 Higher Cert/Ord degree level 6/7

  • Business Information Systems UCC 440

  • Commerce UCC 430

  • Finance UCC 420

  • Business Info Systems CIT 315

  • Food Marketing UCC 435

  • Arts UCC 330

  • Business St UL 375

  • Software Development CIT 300

  • Computer Science UCC 340

  • Marketing CIT 295

1. Business Studies CIT 250

2. Business Admin CIT 210

3. Tourism CIT 225

4. Computing CIT 290

5. Business WIT 200

6. Business /Tourism WIT 210

7. Recreation /Leisure CIT 330

8. Business Studies ITT 190

9. Office Info System ITT 210

10. Computing ITT 225

No Longer Considered

No Longer Considered


Points to note1

POINTS TO NOTE

It is a mistake to base choice of course only on a students present expectation of examination performance or on the points of previous years

Again GENUINE ORDER OF PREFERENCE is the best way of ensuring students end up where they want to end up

Some students change order of preference as a reaction to the experience of doing their exams. This is a mistake.(They may do this without informing parents)….

Preferably final choice done by end May


After submitting application

AFTER SUBMITTING APPLICATION

You are assigned a CAO number, which you keep and quote on all correspondences

An initial acknowledgment is sent by email

Statement of Application Record by end May at the latest. This should be READ carefully to ensure all information is correct. If not, contact CAO immediately.

After changes of mind, final Statement of Application sent before 7th July


The offer process

THE OFFER PROCESS

  • Leaving Cert Results - Wed. 13th Aug

  • CAO Round One - Mon. 18th Aug

  • Your offer notice issued online (and post) may contain an offer

    • for a Level 8 course

    • or a Level 7/6 course

    • or both

  • If students receive two offers (one from level 8 one from level 6/7) at the same time they may only accept one of them.

  • If they wish to accept an offer of a place they must carry out the instructions on the offer notice before 5.15pm on the closing date for acceptance printed on the offer notice.


Offers

OFFERS

  • When students accept a place, they may still become eligible for a course higher up their list, if this happens they can accept the new offer or stay with the original one.

  • Remember you could move up your list, but you cannot move down, the CAO presumes that you listed your courses IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.

  • It is a mistake to reject an offer in the hope of getting something higher….. It may not happen.


Cao deferred entry

CAO – DEFERRED ENTRY

Read page 5 of handbook

Do not accept the offer in the manner shown on the CAO Offer Notice.

Email or write immediately to the Admissions Office of the particular college setting out the reason(s) for the request. Mark 'Deferred Entry' clearly on the subject line/envelope. This must be received by college at least two days before the reply date on offer.

If accepted the deferral is held for one year. The following year you reapply through CAO only choosing your deferred course and tick the deferral box on application


Hear higher education access route dare disability access route to education

HEAR- Higher Education Access RouteDARE – Disability Access Route to Education


The higher education access route hear

The Higher Education Access Route (HEAR)

HEAR is a 3rd level admissions scheme for students from socio economically disadvantaged backgrounds

16 HEIs participate – UCC, UCD, DCU, DIT, UCG, TCD, UL, NUIM and teacher training colleges

Students who are eligible for HEAR compete for a number of reduced points places, but they still need to meet minimum and specific entry requirements

Eligibility depends on financial means and also socio-economic background


Dare disability access route to education

DARE (Disability Access Route to Education)

DARE is a 3rd level scheme to allow students with disabilities to compete for one of a number of reserved places in HEIs on a reduced points basis.

A large variety of disabilities included, from learning difficulties to mental health conditions to specific long term illnesses

Medical/Psychological Evidence of Disability required

18 HEIs participate including – UCC, CIT, DIT, AIT, DCU, NCI, NUIG, NUIM, Pontifical Maynooth, UCD, TCD, UL, Mater Dei


Hear and dare applications

HEAR and DARE Applications

Both forms are optional ‘add-ons’ on CAO Form

Both forms need to be completed by 1st March.

Supporting documents to arrive to CAO by 1st April.

HEAR and DARE advice clinic on Jan 11th 2014, 10am - 2pm in UCC at De Vere Hall, Student Centre. All HEAR and DARE applicants with their parents/guardians should attend this session.

Practice workbook available online, if completed and brought to Advice Clinic, you are in a better position to get exact advice.

Website : www.accesscollege.ie


Information and help

Information and help

  • www.accesscollege.ie.

    • Download application videos for both HEAR and DARE.

    • Workbook to fill out to aid your online application

    • Information about supporting documents

    • Information about eligibility


Dates to remember

Dates to remember

  • 11th Jan National Hear/ Dare advice clinics

  • UCC DARE advice clinics held in UCC G02 (Western Gateway) 6-8pm on

    • Nov 6th

    • Nov 20th

    • Dec 4th


How many applications

How many applications?

Students can apply to PLCs (Post Leaving Cert courses in any or all of the Further Education Colleges) plus CAO, plus UCAS (English colleges) if they so choose

Be realistic- know yourself


Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

Cost of going to college

Accommodation

Grants/Scholarships


Monthly cost of living away from home

Monthly Cost of Living Away from Home

Books €70

Accommodation€400

Light/Heat/Power€60

Food€240

Clothes, laundry, etc…€45

Local Travel€80

Social Life, other travel, miscellaneous€140

Total per month€1,035

Yearly Total (8 months)€8,280

Source: DCU Student Affairs


A ccommodation

Accommodation

The search for college accommodation starts early each year.

If your son or daughter is hoping to secure on-campus accommodation it would be worthwhile contacting the relevant colleges now to enquire about reserving a place.

Colleges generally manage the on-campus accommodation themselves

Payment is usually made in 2 instalments (Sept and Dec)


On campus accommodation

On- Campus Accommodation

  • UCC

  • Accept bookings from mid Feb and prospective students are advised to research online www.ucccampusaccommodation.ieor ring 021 4902475/4902353. There is a virtual tour of apartments online

  • Numerous complexes - some UCC owned (e.g. Castlewhite, Victoria Lodge), others private (e.g. Brooklodge, Deans Hall, Farranlea). Website indicates those accepting First Years. Deposit €250 approx, refund €200, depending on when you cancel

  • CIT have no on-campus accommodation. Info on Digs/houses etc. contact the accommodations office 021 4335750 or www.cit.ie/studentlife


On campus accommodation1

On Campus Accommodation

  • Mary Immaculate College

  • On-campus is for girls only (68 places). Deposit of €750 (student does not take offer, refund of €650). Total cost is deposit plus €2,640. Student has own room. Emphasis on security. Accommodations office - 061-204503. (Off campus accommodation also available)

  • UL

  • Accept bookings from Jan. Five ‘villages’ to choose from. Book on-line early. Deposit of €250 payable - if student does not go to UL given back €200 at least. Cost €3,500 - €4,500. Tel 061 202433 or www.ul.ie/accommodation for information.


On campus accommodation2

On Campus Accommodation

  • DCU – Booking from Feb. Places allocated to those with 500pts+ first and rest on a lottery subject to them having accepted a place. www.dcu.ie/accommodationor on 01-7005736

  • Trinity – Accepts applications online, only after an offer has been accepted by the student. All information online, all considered equally. Accommodation Office 01-8961177 or www.tcd.ie/accommodation

  • UCD – 800 on campus places. Apply in May (no deposit). Once student has accepted place they open to being offered accommodation Tel: 01-7161274 and www.ucd.ie/residence


On campus accommodation3

On Campus Accommodation

NUI Maynooth – Bookings on-line from early Dec. Places allocated by lottery. No deposit necessary until places are offered to students after they accept their CAO offer. Residence office 01 7083322 or www.residence.nuim.ie

NUI Galway – Bookings taken in February. Deposit of approx €800 (€700 returned if place not taken up). Office 091-492364 or www.nuigalway.ie/accommodation


Off campus accommodation

Off Campus Accommodation

Most colleges also have off-campus accommodation

Digs are an excellent option for parents as there is a set price and meals & bills are included.

Again if you contact the accommodation offices of the HEI’s they will give you advice and have lists of digs. Usually list available in May or can arrange when a student has received a place in a HEI


The higher education grants scheme

The Higher Education Grants Scheme

The student grant is the main source of financial help available to students in full time Post Leaving Cert courses or Higher Education undergraduate courses

It is means tested, taking into account income during previous tax year. It considers gross income, number of dependants in family, number of dependants in college and distance between normal residence and college.


Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

Applications are made through a central application online system, Student Universal Support Ireland (SUSI).

Applications open usually in March/April (notification in the press) and must be received before the end of August.

All information (including application guide video) on www.studentfinance.ie


Higher education grants in operation

Higher Education Grants in Operation

For grant applications next Spring the reckonable income looked at is between Jan 1st 2013 and Dec 31st 2013

The grant offers financial support to cover maintenance, student contribution fee and field trip fees. (Tuition or course cost fees are covered for all EU students under the Free Fees Scheme)

The Student Contribution Fee is a fee charged by colleges/universities. The fee will be €2, 750 in 2014-15 and €3,000 in 2015/16


Higher education grants in operation1

Higher Education Grants in Operation

If you qualify, the level of maintenance paid towards living costs will be calculated at 100%, 75%, 50% or 25%

It is often not paid until very late in the first term so be prepared

If they drop out of their course or fail and have to repeat a year, there are implications for grant and tuition payments. Check with the relevant HEI for details.


Income limits for standard grant 2013 14 please check www studentfinance ie for eligibility

Income Limits for Standard Grant 2013/14Please check www.studentfinance.ie for eligibility

  • There are further increments available if more than one dependant is attending full-time education

  • Special Rate earn less then €22,703 and be in receipt of some social welfare payment


Value of grants

Value of Grants

Source: www.studentfinance.ie


Student assistance fund

Student Assistance Fund

A supplementary fund to assist students

Applied for after entry to college

Not intended for fees, tuition but rather for rent, heat, food and basic living expenses, as well as emergencies, etc.

Administered by the individual Colleges

Documentation of expenses and income will be requested and student may be interviewed.


S cholarships

Scholarships

Entrance scholarships are awarded by HEI’s on the basis of Leaving Cert results. The HEI’s inform students.

Other scholarships (sport, GAA, etc) or special scholarships (technology, business etc) need to be applied for to particular college/university. All details are on particular college websites. (UCC Quercus Scholarship)


Leaving cert results

LEAVING CERT RESULTS

Expected date of issue – Wed., 13th August.

Results are available in school or from 12pm, online on www.examinations.ie or by phone from the DES (both methods with exam no. and pin)

In results envelope there is a request form to view scripts. It’s free to view them so return this form to office by due date. Viewing is in school in late Aug/early Sept.

After viewing scripts, there is the option to appeal the result @cost of €40 per appeal.

Appeal application early Sept.

Appeals back in early/mid October

Money returned if appeal successful. Statistically 20% upgraded


Things to watch out for

Things to watch out for:

Leaving cert holiday – timing.

Students should be around for results, offers, interviews, registration, orientation.

CAO change of mind opens 1st May until 1st July. It is not recommended to change choices based on assumed poor performance in exams

Students should be applying to all levels of courses (PLC as well as CAO 6/7 and 8) and have back up plans.


If things go wrong

If things go wrong

Unfortunately students are sometimes unhappy with course choices

If a student drops out they need to deregister

If they deregister by 1st Oct, you usually get 85% of registration back and students don’t lose their free fees entitlement

If students deregister by Jan, they do not get registration costs back but will be entitled to half fees the following year

Fees will not be paid for a second chance at the same year (either through failure or change of mind)


Availability

AVAILABILITY

When the Leaving Cert Results come out usually there are staff in the school, including guidance counsellors.

On the day of Round One CAO offers one or both of the guidance counsellors will be in the school to deal with queries either on the phone or in person from approx 11 til 2

Feel free to contact us about issues raised tonight or other issues of concern – [email protected] , [email protected]


Guidance information for parents of 6 th years

“It's a funny thing, how much time we spend planning our lives. We so convince ourselves of what we want to do, that sometimes we don't see what we're meant to do.” ― Susan Gregg Gilmore

“Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.” ― Allen Saunders


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