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West Midlands IMG Conference 2013 Jim Bartlett Training Lead for CSA Core Group. Who??. GP in Shropshire Trainer Former TPD for Shropshire VTS MRCGP Examiner Training & recruitment for CSA Previously managing the Case Writing Group . Assumptions?. Me?. You?.

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West Midlands IMG Conference 2013Jim Bartlett Training Lead for CSA Core Group


  • GP in Shropshire

  • Trainer

  • Former TPD for Shropshire VTS

  • MRCGP Examiner

  • Training & recruitment for CSA

  • Previously managing the Case Writing Group




Zen and the art of CSA preparation

  • To challenge assumptions

  • To reduce the fear factor

  • Address worries and concerns

  • Build confidence


  • A walk through tour of Euston square

  • Update on CSA –current issues

  • Pitfalls, myths and traps

  • Features of passing candidates

  • Hints & tips

  • Questions

CSA update

  • The Exam Centre- what happens

  • Recent developments

  • What’s on the horizon?

Exam Centre:30 Euston Square

  • 3 purpose built ‘circuits’

  • State of the art

  • Clocks

  • iPads

30 Euston Square


  • Arrive on time at Euston

  • Check in ID/phones

  • Taken to briefing room

  • Refreshments/toilets

  • Brief by senior marshal

  • Taken to floor

Purple Circuit

Consulting room

At the start

  • All possessions put in locker

  • Medical Equipment on the desk

  • Your BNF will be checked

  • You will be logged onto your iPAD & can start reading the cases



  • www.rcgp.org.uk Exams  MRCGP

  • MRCGP exam overview

  • May 2013 CSA: Delivery on iPads

  • http://www.rcgp.org.uk/gp-training-and-exams/mrcgp-exam-overview.aspx


  • Cases represent everyday General Practice

  • Cases could be

    • Acute medical problem

    • Chronic multiple pathology

    • Out of Hours situations

    • Telephone triage/home visit

    • Breaking Bad News

    • Palliative Care advice

    • Medical Certification

    • What happened today in your surgery?

Marking domains

  • Each case is marked in 3 domains :

    Data gathering, examination and clinical assessment skills

    Clinical management skills

    Interpersonal skills

  • Each Domain has the same number of marks.

TMahree domains for each case


Ignore any observers / camera

Behave normally –be yourself

Don’t panic if things go wrong

Be aware of your anxiety ,but think yourself back home


You won’t be the only one feeling stressed about a difficult case

New developments

  • Feedback

  • Dates of exams sittings

  • ipads

  • Child cases

  • Children’s BNF

Child cases

  • Child role players from the November 2013 exam onwards

  • These new cases will include opportunities to test paediatric examination & prescribing skills

  • Don’t forget your paediatric BNF!

What’s on the horizon?

  • Exam date changes

  • Feedback

Most used feedback statements

  • 7does not develop a management plan (including prescribing and referral) reflecting knowledge of current best practice. ( All 18%, RoW 24%)

  • 13 Poor active listening skills and use of cues. Consulting may appear formulaic (slavishly following a model and/or unresponsive to the patient), and lacks fluency. (All 12 % RoW 21%)

  • 2 Does not recognise the issues or priorities in the consultation (for example, the patient’s problem, ethical dilemma etc). (All 15% RoW 20%)

  • 15 Does not develop a shared management plan, demonstrating an ability to work in partnership with the patient . (All 14 % RoW 20%)

How can we help?

  • Challenge assumptions

  • Seek feedback , and act on it

  • Review performance

  • Resources


  • You!

  • Your trainer

  • Your colleagues

  • Your family

  • Website


  • MRCGP Clinical Skills Assessment (CSA) 

  • More resources for CSA candidates 

  • General comments about features/behaviours observed in passing and failing candidates in the CSA

Pitfalls: General features observed



Patronising (use of we)

Uneasy with or unable to acknowledge own ignorance or uncertainty

More scripted summary and checking understanding

Poor use of time

Does not appear to care about the patient

Not curious

Unaware of personal space

  • Fluent, interactive and relevant

  • Is able to take patient into medical world as a shared partner (use of we)

  • Open about lack of knowledge or certainty and may use this constructively

  • Active monitoring during consultation


  • There is NO RCGP model you need to follow

  • Patient centred clinical method can appear doctor centred?? No one size fits all.

  • Getting “ICE” is not as important as using it

  • Ask yourself how much the patient’s ideas concerns and expectations influenced the outcome

  • Were you curious and interested?


  • Don’t second guess, many cases seem similar but just as patients vary in real life so do CSA cases.

  • Don’t copy other peoples phrases and questions unless they feel natural to you.


  • Do the consultation “for real”

  • Make a diagnosis or address the dilemma

  • Try to develop your own phrases and practice them

Tips for during the exam

  • Read supporting notes for the candidate.

    • may give a clue as to the direction expected in the consultation.

  • Have “good housekeeping skills.”

    • Must move on from each case.

    • Each case is marked separately.

  • Be confident at home visits and telephone consultations

You need to combine good clinical skills with good interpersonal skills.

Demonstrating clinical skills is often a matter of sharing thoughts and explaining well to the patient.

Build on the “raw material” offered to you

"Focus on the patient, not what you imagine the examiner is looking for“


  • Familiarise yourselves with the marking domains of the CSA.

  • Regularly review your own consultations with your Trainer.

  • Use COT – need to aim to be achieving “excellent”

  • Use several trainers to review COT

  • Must be able to consult in 10 mins in every day work

How trainers can help

  • Identify and reinforce successful phrases and techniques

  • Feedback on “clunky consulting”, over-modelling and “rote phrases”

  • Encourage development of comfortable alternatives

  • Encourage patient centeredness

  • Encourage study groups

Lots of joint surgeries and CSA practise and seeing patients ,see what the registrars are doing not what they say they are doing

In joint surgeries-at critical points- don't be afraid to ask the trainee what they are thinking ie verbalise (eg diagnostic dilemmas treatment choices etc)

Don't let your registrar practise with friends who might collude!

Make sure your trainee is expanding their knowledge base at the same rate as their consulting skills. 

Watch your trainees for clunky / embarrassed/formulaic phrases and work with them to try out more comfortable and natural ones.

Encourage the use of open questions early on, & suggest a time plan so that clinical management gets a fair slice of the 10 minutes available.

Identify the barriers to fluent consulting – any social/cultural barriers?.

Tips for trainees-preparation

  • See patients- lots- do COTS and CBDs and don’t stay on half hour consulting for long

  • Do joint surgeries with your trainer- partly to get used to being watched

  • Work in a consortium of other candidates taking the CSA – but not just your friends :practise mock cases to get the timing right

Use a variety of settings- home visits, joint surgeries and don’t forget ..

Telephone Triage

Make the most of the OOH shifts

Take every opportunity to seek and listen to feedback from experienced colleagues

Think of the consultation as a conversation - the patient says something then you say something that naturally follows, then the patient says something etc etc and so the story develops

Think about who is doing all the talking - it shouldn't be the doctor.

Throw away check lists and let it flow naturally.

Focus questions in a progressive manner indicating clear thought processes. Don't suddenly in the middle of taking a history interject with "how much alcohol do you take" or "Who is there at home?" when this is completely  irrelevant. It may just suggest that you don’t know what to say next.

Patients come in with symptoms, it is important to take the patient along the pathway between the symptom and their diagnosis ( and shared management) without gaps or odd jumps.

Be nosey- develop an inquisitive nature if you don’t have one .

Passing candidates connect instantly with patient, remain responsive throughout, are fluent focused and use clear language

Don't ask" Can I ask you some questions?" It wastes time and annoys everybody

Don't use rote-learned questions - especially ICE questions when used at inappropriate times - listen to what the patient is saying and respond to that

Explore the impact of the problem on the patient's life

For the exam:

  • Imagine you are in your own surgery, & to do in Euston what you would want to do there!

  • You've never met any of the CSA 'patients' before. Explore their psycho-social background with open questions before embarking on the medical questions

  • There is no "right answer" to a case

  • Do not think of the CSA as a game ('what do they want me to pick up', 'why have they put this case in'? etc) and think yourself into the real situation ('it's down to me to sort this patient out'). 

It is helpful to the patient to explain what you are doing when you examine them - practise examinations so that they are automatic and second nature.

Don't ask the pt "What do you want to do" when the patient has not been given options with the pros and cons of each.

Suspend disbelief, and put yourself in your surgery, believing that these are YOUR patients. Ignore the examiner and don't try to double think what he/she wants to hear - it just causes confusion in your own brain and will be unhelpful to the ‘patient’.

"if you think it say it": an assessor can only mark what they hear so if you have a bright thought you need to share it!

Time Management

  • Keep an eye on the time

  • Structure your consultations

  • Use good general consulting skills- summarise, screen, safety-net

  • Don’t cover only one domain area

  • About halfway through the consultation, you need to move on from data gathering

  • Avoid repetition


  • Be yourself

  • Get in ‘doctor’ role – not ‘candidate’

  • Confidence comes with practise

  • And is polished with feedback

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