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NSEC3 Update. IETF 66, Montr éal David Blacka, Verisign. Review. NSEC3 is an NSEC alternative that: Prevents zone enumeration by using hashes of domain names Optional optimization for delegation centric zones called Opt-Out. What is going on?. Workshop in Frankfurt on May 8-10

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Nsec3 update

NSEC3 Update

IETF 66, Montréal

David Blacka, Verisign



  • NSEC3 is an NSEC alternative that:

    • Prevents zone enumeration by using hashes of domain names

    • Optional optimization for delegation centric zones called Opt-Out.

What is going on

What is going on?

  • Workshop in Frankfurt on May 8-10

  • Draft is now at version -06

  • Side meeting this Monday

  • Proposed next workshop

Frankfurt workshop

Frankfurt Workshop

  • Purpose: interoperability testing, discussion.

  • Testing signing, serving, validation.

  • No major issues found.

  • But didn’t test everything.

  • Created a semi-permanent test environment

  • Notes for the workshop:


Frankfurt workshop cont

Frankfurt Workshop, cont.

  • Tests that still need to be done:

    • NSEC to NSEC3 rollover, vice versa

    • Signaling mechanism(s)

    • Traversing down various combinations of NSEC, NSEC3, with/without Opt-Out

    • Spoof tests, esp. Wildcards + Opt-Out.

Changes from 05 to 06

Changes from -05 to -06

  • Lots of wordsmithing.

  • Added hash length field to RDATA.

  • New section on signaling.

  • New section on dynamic update.

  • New text on handling unknown NSEC3 hash algorithms

  • Updated examples.

Changes cont

Changes, cont.

  • Responses are now required to use NSEC3 with all the same parameters.

  • A few things still missing:

    • Text on transitioning a zone from NSEC to NSEC3.

    • Open issues.



  • NSEC3 has an issue tracker

    • http://www.nsec3.org

  • Some issues are closed.

    • This means that the draft editors think that the issue is addressed.

    • Not that the issue cannot be discussed further.

Open issues

Open Issues

  • Issue 8: Signaling

    • This is about interoperability with RFC 4035-based resolvers. I.e., NSEC3 signed zones should be treated as insecure.

    • At workshop, discussed two possibilities

    • New draft describes the use of unknown signing algorithms.

    • Not set in stone, but that is what has been implemented.

Open issues cont

Open Issues, cont.

  • Issue 9: Iterations upper bound

    • Document sets an upper bound based on RSA signing times, resolvers may treat NSEC3 RRs with too many iterations as BOGUS

    • Should be based on verifications instead?

    • Resolvers should treat as INSECURE instead?

    • How does upper bound change over time?

Open issues cont1

Open Issues, cont.

  • Issue 11: Queries for NSEC3 ownernames

    • 3 different approaches have been suggested.

    • All 3 have been described in past versions of the draft.

    • Main issue is if direct queries for NSEC3 RRs should work.

Open issues cont2

Open Issues, cont.

  • Issue 18: Signaling complete NSEC3 chains.

    • So auth servers (primary and secondary) can determine the NSEC3 parameters

    • Currently requires finding the NSEC3 for the zone apex.

    • 3 other proposals: new zone apex RR (NSEC3-PARAM), reuse NSEC3 at zone apex, special case the zone apex NSEC3.

    • Currently heavily leaning toward using NSEC3-PARAM

Open issues cont3

Open Issues, cont.

  • Issue 22: Separating NSEC3 algorithms from DS algorithms

    • Currently re-uses the DS hash algorithm registry.

    • But, desired hash properties are not (exactly) the same.

    • Do not necessarily want to define new NSEC3 hash when DS defines a new hash.

    • Use of some hashes might require additional specification.

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