In the Culture but not of the Culture: Experiences of LDS Women with Depression. Kristine J. Doty, Ph.D., LCSW Danna Lindemann, B.S. Heather Hirsche. Introduction. Experiences in the ER and Clinical Practice John and Jensen’s 2009 study
In the Culture but not of the Culture: Experiences of LDS Women with Depression
Kristine J. Doty, Ph.D., LCSW
Danna Lindemann, B.S.
“When Marybeth called me yesterday, I went ‘Oh, hallelujah!’ I have been praying for you for years! ‘Please God, let someone get into this [subject] and see that it is real, that it isn't fake, that it isn't just women who are selfish or women who are on the fringe of the church or don't have a testimony or aren't serving. Let that pain that we feel, that emptiness, let someone speak for us, finally!"
“Mostly it's the genetics. It really is. I'm not a ‘woe is me’ person. I can tell when I'm depressed because all of a sudden I start getting flashbacks of any dark thing that ever happened.”
“When I was in the middle of my sophomore year of high school, I was molested by three boys in my ceramics class. And that kind of tipped me over the edge and I tried to kill myself after that. I felt like my parents kind of gave up on me. They kind of stopped worrying so much about me and just started ignoring the fact that I was never home. I got into some more heavy drugs and got extremely sexually active with boys and girls because now I was this person, this unclean, dirty thing.”
“My mom [is] very religious, too, and LDS. As a kid I never felt like I was living up to her religious expectations even though I was trying really hard to, but she struggled with … you know anything that would be contrary to the LDS church. It’s hard for me to see her point of view and it seems like nothing is ever good enough or up to her expectations religiously, so even though I know she’s happy with me I still feel like she doesn’t think I’m up to her expectations.”
“I feel like everything is judgmental. I have never seen people judge so harshly on clothing, hair, the things that [others are] doing. But that's what Utah is. I don't get it. What's wrong with me? What am I doing so wrong? For some reason, people just judge me really harshly. I don't know why. I just have come to the conclusion that it's Utah, and I hate it here.”
Defined as: an otherwise healthy, strong religious commitment, and associated desire to achieve religious ideals, combined with perfectionistic concerns about “falling short” of those ideals – and the perceived personal and spiritual consequences of doing so (Craddock, Church, Harrison, & Sands, 2010).
“We have this idea in our mind of what we should be: to be a perfect mom or whatever. Being a stay-at-home mom is very difficult for a lot of people, myself included … then you also have these expectations of what you should be doing to be the Molly Mormon or the perfect little homemaker … I think that's a lot different in other cultures.”
“With reading scriptures and praying I feel like sometimes I don’t want to pray because I’m not worthy to pray, does that make sense? Like I don’t feel like I’ve lived up to what I should be doing that day and so it’s hard for me to want to pray ‘cause some days I feel like [God’s] not happy with me.
“If I’m not reading my scriptures then I feel like I’m not doing what I should be doing and that I’m not keeping all of the commandments, so it makes me feel like my self-worth goes down. So even those little things make me feel lower than they should. There’s all those morals and standards that you want to live up to and want to be like, so it’s hard when you don’t live up to your expectations or others expectations.”
“A lot of my triggers were that I liked to be the best at everything. In high school, I was a straight-A student in school, I was in the national honor society and president of a club…In church, I wanted to be the super active one that everyone thought had it all together.
“I wanted to do everything and I wanted to do everything fantastically well. I think it for sure fuels [my depression] because no one's ever going to hit that. It's like the unobtainable. No one is ever going to be perfect. Logically I know it's unobtainable, but you are still pushing for that.”
“When you're depressed, you just do anything to not feel it. So you think perfection is the answer. ‘So if I have the perfect body, if I had the perfect looks, if I had the perfect kids, the perfect house, the perfect whatever, the perfect spirituality, if I somehow just loved to serve and I never felt like I was being burdened by doing this, then everything would be okay and I wouldn't have depression.’
“But I think that everyone with depression kind of does that. In the LDS church it's like, ‘I feel depressed’ and it's like, ‘Oh, you must not be righteous. Maybe you should go serve somebody, and then you would be.’”
“But it's just something we do to ourselves. That's not coming down from the prophet; it's not coming down from God. That's just us comparing ourselves to each other and having that perfect standard.”
“[Perfectionism] is definitely a culture thing…I talk to people and I know people who live outside of Utah… and they talk about pressures, and I don't feel the same pressures. It’s a crazy phenomenon going on down here. One of the things that I have a hard time with is even general conference talks and the scriptures and the things we’re studying, they're saying, ‘Do your best and God will do the rest’. That's kind of what you hear. Then you kind of hear this cultural thing where it's super-competitive, where you need to do better than your best because everyone else is. So then you have to keep up with them and you hope God does the rest, but wouldn't it be awesome if you could just do it all yourself?”
“Writing and reading, I just love literature. When I get really depressed, though, I would write about depressing things. Yeah, the poetry was great and it was beautiful and it was like ‘Wow, this is really good; I can express myself!’
“Helping other people is a huge one for me. Giving of myself to make somebody else's life better. I think that anybody, I mean, no matter how depressed you are, if you can feel like you're benefiting or contributing in some way, because everybody has something to contribute, every single person.”
“Exercise helps quite a bit. In college that’s what I majored in and so I’d have a lot of exercise classes and I think what got me through college was exercising and just having that outlet. I think reading, or sometimes just watching a movie, or it could be taking time for myself definitely helps too…writing in my journal helps a lot, talking to a friend about anything seems to help too. I like baking as well, so that’s sometimes my outlet: if I can’t go anywhere because of the kids, I bake.”
“I am on Wellbutrin, and I am on Celexa. I found out inadvertently that I really, really need the Celexa. My anxiety level went up. I have never really felt like I had anxiety. I was like, ‘okay good, let's get back on Celexa.’ It makes all the difference. But yeah, I would be just a lump of nothing without my antidepressants. I don't think I could function.”
“I tried a bunch of different medications like Lexapro and Zoloft. I don't know, just a bunch. None of them did anything for me. They all made me kind of, just numb.”
“I talked to my physician at the time and he said, ‘Well you’re suffering from depression.’ Right away it was, ‘Let’s put you on medication.’ There was no ‘Let’s talk to someone about talk therapy in conjunction.’ It was, ‘Let’s put you on medication.’”
“I went and saw a psychiatrist. I don't know, I think it was probably two or three years ago. I was having a hard time with family. A really hard time… He tried to put me on different kinds of medication and it didn't work, but I think just the talking really helped more.”
“[My doctor] didn't recommend individual therapy, he recommended group therapy. I think individual therapy helped a lot. I did marital counseling when I was married. Then I had individual therapy. I think that helped.”
“Actually, I owe a lot of [my healing] to my therapist. We used a lot of different techniques and homework assignments. We had a lot of good challenge activities. It got to the point where it was just like, ‘I don't care what people think about me.’
“It was a matter of taking the relationship between me and everybody else and focusing on the relationship between me and God. ”
“Now when I see women who I even think are depressed, it's like, I know what to do for them. They need to be listened to, they need to be loved. They need to be validated.”
- Amy, 43
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