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ECMO application : ruled implementation or free diffusion?. Milan 2012 Palle Palmér ECMO Centrum Karolinska Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm Sweden. If we look at Stockholm development. ECMO is a simple technic. But not that simple You need to know a lot of

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ecmo application ruled implementation or free diffusion

ECMO application:ruled implementation or free diffusion?

Milan

2012

Palle Palmér

ECMO Centrum Karolinska

Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm Sweden

ecmo is a simple technic
ECMO is a simple technic
  • But not that simple
  • You need to know a lot of
  • Cannulas, oxygenators, oxygen delivery and consumption, carbon oxide, coagulation
  • Interrelation between ECMO circuit, the ventilator and the CVVHDF machine
  • The doctor and nurses in charge has to know this 24/7

4 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

one doctor has to be totally responsible
One doctor has to be totally responsible
  • The week has 168 hours
  • In Saturday morning at 4 am you have to have one experienced doctor to handle problems.
  • It not enough with one interested doctor in the ward daytime for 40 hours a week. At least he/she has to be dedicated to come in the other 128 hours too.
  • ECMO is not run by itself for 128 hours a week.

5 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

we have to make a different between cardiac and respiratory ecmo
We have to make a different between Cardiac and Respiratory ECMO
  • Cardiac ECMO should probably be done in all thoracic surgical departments.
  • Most of these patients comes from the operation table and need a short term assistance.
  • If the patient get a lung edema it will be complicated and take much more time.

6 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

multistage cannulae
Multistagecannulae

v.cava.suplowsaturation

v.cava.inf high saturation

MRI Jonas A Lindholm

respiratory ecmo
Respiratory ECMO
  • Needs volume and centralization
  • Long run ECMO 15- 60 days
  • Much more maintenance – circuit change and clotting problems
  • Totally whiteout lungs makes the safety marginal to 30 seconds
  • Low saturation
  • How to ventilate

8 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

multi organ failure
Multi-Organ-failure
  • Decreased urine output
  • Increasing liver values
  • Low blood pressure
  • RIGHT SIDED HEART FAILURE - Convert to V-A ECMO
  • Hemolysis – clotting in the circuit - Solve that problem

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does volume make different
Does volume make different ?
  • In a low volume unit less then 10 patient per year , less then 150 days per year, you need much more assistance from perfusionists.
  • It will be more expensive
  • Lack of perfusion capacity for the operation
  • Lack of beds in the thoracic intensive care
  • Less persistence

12 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

in normal or thoracical icu
In normal or thoracical ICU
  • High volume center, at least one ECMO case every day of the year in the ward. It’s a normal part of the ICU treatment.
  • The safety will be in the walls due to dedicated nurses and doctors experience.
  • Much more persistence.
  • Possible to have the patients awake.
  • Possible to learn how to solve problems.

13 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

elso reports july 2012
ELSO reports July 2012

14 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

the big well developed ecmocenters
The big well developed ECMOcenters
  • Reports survival rate of 70-80%, Stockholm and Leicester, even with mean p/F ratios of 50 and 65.
  • That means that the smaller centers have an survival rate of about 50%
  • It´s also possible that the experience centers takes more odd cases.

15 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

a new indication septic shock
A new indicationSepticshock
  • SAPPS III scoring 2012
  • 10 patient with septic shock mean 80 points
  • Mortality risk of 85%
  • Low leucocytes declining to < 2 ”ALARM ALERT”
  • Inotropic index > 100
  • Cold sepsis in some of them - amputation
  • Survival rate 80%
  • V-A ECMO because of cardiogenic shock
trauma is an undeveloped field
Trauma is an undeveloped field
  • No heparin untilthey stop bleeding
  • The Problem is that the major trauma casesdon’tdiewithin 1-2 hours.
  • Theyare still alive 10 hours later, and weempty the blood bank,and the surgeonsaretired
  • Youcan pack the thoraciccavity, to stop bleedings

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10 million people per ecmo center
10 million people per ECMO center
  • You will have respiratory ECMO
  • 40 -50 adult patient per year mean 15 days ( 7-60 days)
  • 30-40 pediatric patient mean 15 days ( 7-60 days)
  • 30-40 neonates mean 7 days ( 4-30 days)
  • You need an ECMO transport organization that can transport 24/7

19 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

an high volume center
An high volume center
  • Can take the full advantage of the ECMO circuit
  • The goal is not to come off the machine
  • The goal is to have a healthy patient

20 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

pneumothorax
Pneumothorax
  • Don’t hurt the patient
  • First choice - stop ventilation in 2-3 days
  • Pleura drainage - Seldinger or Surgeon

21 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

a very small pleuradrainage 20 liter of blood and 4 operations
A very small pleuradrainage - 20 liter of blood and 4 operations

22 ECMO Centrum Karolinska

maybe we should look at survival as something obvious
Maybe we should look at survival as something obvious
  • Why did they die and was it preventable
  • Last 2 years 78 adult patient Sapps III mortality rate of 85%
  • 17 patient died (22%)
  • 5 patient we didn´t have a chance from beginning
  • 5 patient in pseudomonas and fungus
  • 4 intracranial bleeding septic embolus pre ECMO
  • 3 intracranial bleeding due to the ECMO treatment

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when you look at the pump and as your best friend then you are a mature ecmo unit
When you look at the pump and as your best friend then you are a mature ECMO unit
  • Learn everything about the
  • pump oxygenators tubings and cannulaes
  • Train,train,train
  • Be careful
  • Be patient
  • Be trained
  • Don’t solve problems that doesn’t have to be solved
euro elso 2013
EURO-ELSO 2013

Precongress 8-9 May 2013

Congress 9-11 May 2013

Scientificprogramme Nov 2012

Deadline for Abstracts 15 March 2013

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