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Spiritual Issues in Psychosis

Explore the relationship between spirituality and psychosis, challenging traditional psychiatric views and promoting a more holistic approach. Learn about the potential for growth and transformation within anomalous experiences and the importance of supporting individuals in their journey. Presented by Ron Unger LCSW and Michael Cornwall.

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Spiritual Issues in Psychosis

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  1. Spiritual Issues in Psychosis Presenter: Ron Unger LCSW 4ronunger@gmail.com 541-513-1811 Co-Presenter: Michael Cornwall michael.cornwall@att.net

  2. Rough Definitions • Psychosis • Experiences of new perceptions, meanings, and interpretations outside of “reason” or mundane cultural norms, about matters of deep importance, that seem to make things worse • Spirituality (at least when it is positive) • The same thing as above, only it happens in a way that seems to make things better

  3. Psychiatry sees categorical differences • Once a person is diagnosed • Their unusual experience is seen as definitely “illness” or “disorder” • The notion of any positive value to it, any spiritual or transformative potential, is usually dismissed

  4. Framing perspectives as “mad” when they vary from cultural norms • Is too quick to judge what might be a movement toward cultural or spiritual innovation • Ignores the possibility that the culture itself may in some sense be “mad” or destructive • And that innovations may be necessary to correct it

  5. Model of the “Renewal Process” • 1. Construct system breaks down • Common cause of that: trying to solve a problem not solvable within existing system • 2. Temporary suspension of constructs • Encounter with the “transliminal” • 3. Construct restructuring • If done under stress etc., errors are more likely, leading to • Holding on to bad ideas, and/or • Can also be completed successfully, resulting in new vision that enriches the person & possibly the culture!

  6. Which Experiences Promote Growth, Which are Pathological? • Distinction is mostly related to: • Context in which they occur • Manner in which they are approached • Ability to integrate them into everyday life • Grof, 1985, as cited in Watkins, 2008 • Note that it is not just the person, but the attitudes and behavior of those close to them, that determine whether or not the conditions exist for anomalous experiences to promote growth

  7. Problems with Common Mental Health Approaches • Make it more scary • by defining experiences as definitely part of a terrible illness • Don’t teach the person relevant skills • Often isolate the person • Focus on trying to stop the process • Often stimulate a “psychic civil war” • If discussion of spirituality is allowed at all, it is seen as secondary to the illness model

  8. Better Mental Health Approaches • Recognize both the risks and possible benefits of anomalous experiences and perspectives • Are open to different ways of talking about these experiences • Acknowledge the normality of going out of our minds • Teach relevant skills • Focus on opportunities for connection, shared meaning, compassion • Are open to the idea that the overall process may be transformative • That is, may eventually lead to a better life for the person and may also benefit others

  9. Quotes on the Known & the Unknown • “There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.” • —Former United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld • "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you think you know that just ain't so“ – Josh Billings

  10. Being Curious and Open Minded About Possible Meanings: • All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, • true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense • From THE PRINCIPIA DISCORDIA • “Wherein Is Explained Absolutely Everything Worth Knowing About Absolutely Anything”

  11. The Continuum View • Unusual experiences can be seen on a continuum • from definitely helpful or “spiritual” • To definitely problematical • Relationships between experiences and people’s lives can be complex • “hellish” experiences might lead to later breakthroughs

  12. Historical perspective • “Madness” was more a matter of not having the right relationship with spirits or the spiritual • But being in a spontaneous altered state, even if out of control and floundering, might mean the presence of spiritual ability and gifts • If nurtured correctly

  13. The Pendulum Swings, from religious to medical….. Complex view: Those apparently “mad” may have both biological and spiritual differences, and may have spiritual insights to offer, especially once any mistakes are overcome “Madness” seen by dogmatic religion as resulting from spiritual wrong or offense against God: Risk is that person will be rejected or punished by society “Madness” seen as not spiritual at all, just a medical problem: Risk is that the meaning of the person’s experience will be ignored & excess medical treatment may occur

  14. Problems for professionals if psychosis involves spirituality • Neither medical nor psychological professionals could then claim full “expertise” in the area of psychosis • Fear that absence of “expertise” could mean loss of status • Also, lack of understanding how to address spiritual issues within a mental health role • Or how to address issues generally in a non-dogmatic way

  15. Problems for religious leaders if psychosis involves spirituality • Many experiences that contradict religious teachings or dogma might then be seen as at least partly spiritual and possibly valid • Religious leaders who don’t know how to help people with “psychotic” experiences might then be seen as lacking spiritual competence • If psychotic experiences are seen as partly spiritual, people may then question whether accepted religious practices may be at least somewhat psychotic

  16. Why discuss spiritual issues within mental health treatment: • Helpful in communication to use a person’s own language and metaphors • Spiritual concepts are often less stigmatizing • A spiritual focus encourages professional humility • Better relationships • Spirituality is proven valuable in recovery

  17. Recovery & Spirituality: difficulties • Disapproval of staff expressing interest in spirituality from other staff • Staff find peoples’ religious concerns hard to handle. • People on the ward are afraid to talk about spirituality because it is regarded as a symptom. • Staff who try to convert service users to their “religion”: • other staff do not feel confident to tackle this abuse of vulnerable individuals. Slide by Isabel Clarke

  18. Is it worth trying to see a difference? • Between • A spiritual experience with some mental and emotional difficulties • A mental disorder or psychosis with some preoccupation with spiritual issues

  19. How could even an atheist talk about spiritual issues? • Within science, psychosis is best understood from a whole systems, or complexity point of view • Spiritual language and metaphors can be understood as another way of trying to talk about the nature and dynamics of whole systems • Self organization, emergence, critical states, etc. • And about the unknown, and one’s relationship to it

  20. “The Spirit Speaks Poetically but the Man Understands It Literally” John Percevalas cited in Bateson, 1961, p. 271

  21. Finding a balance with metaphorical expressions Awareness of different types of existence and reality: Voices and other inner phenomena are seen as that, and are given neither excess nor inadequate significance. Metaphors are seen as metaphors, etc. Religiosity: seeing possible spiritual expressions or metaphors as being literally & concretely true. Voices and other mental phenomena are seen as physically real. Stuck in the Mundane: possible spiritual expressions or metaphors are seen as either untrue or of no importance. Voices & other mental phenomena are seen as either irrelevant or sick.

  22. Could words that sound delusional just need translation? • Instead of focus on the way the words don’t make sense, or are unscientific • Look for ways to understand them that would make some sense • As metaphor, or touching on a meaningful psychological process • Then experiment with speaking about them that way & see what happens

  23. Cultivating Uncertainty & Humility • If we recognize that all maps, concepts etc. are only partially helpful & accurate • Then we can listen to and respect those who see & describe things differently than we do • When we respect both our own views & that of others • We model for our clients how to do the same

  24. Balancing identifying with, and distancing from, Divinity I am not God in some sense, but also I am God or at least close to God in some sense: I can experience both oneness with the Divine in some sense and human humility, I can relate to others. I am God – Grandiose, can’t relate well to others because they aren’t equal to me. I am completely other than God: I am a weak suffering being of little value, I don’t have enough sense of my value to relate well to others.

  25. The Relativity of Madness • To be mad is to be “disturbed, and/or to be disturbing to others” • But if we find those who are mad to be “disturbing” doesn’t that imply we are “disturbed?” • Perhaps unnecessarily? • And if those who are mad are “disturbed” isn’t it possible that it is we who have played some part in “disturbing” them? • Recognizing such possibilities is part of developing a healthy professional humility

  26. Expanding the discussion • Moving from monolog to dialog • Jung’s “archetypal amplification” is one possible method • Rather than suppress “mad” views • Help person experiment with a variety of perspectives • Goal is to induce cognitive flexibility • This is possible even working within a dogmatic religious frame

  27. Possible relationships between trauma and spirituality Uncertain yet finding spiritual safety in uncertainty: I cannot rely on any “thing” to keep me safe.But I can trust the process of doing my best, then letting go in each moment. Overly vulnerable after trauma: I cannot rely on anything to keep me safe. Previous knowledge has been shown to be inadequate. I am in permanent crisis. Overly reliant special beliefs after trauma: Through my new spiritual/magical method, I can now be invulnerable to the kinds of threat that happened before.

  28. Threat relations Conflicts of Emotions blocks Anger Anxiety blocks blocks Sadness Each emotion can have a variety of defensive behaviours and memories Slide by Paul Gilbert

  29. Slide by Paul Gilbert Threat Relations Conflicts of Strategies blocks Submissive Dominant blocks blocks Care-Seeking Each strategy can have a variety of forms, functions and behaviours and memories

  30. Exercise • Split into small groups • Explain to each other • What did you hope to get by coming to this seminar? • In what ways are you getting what you wanted? • In what ways are you not getting it, what are your biggest unanswered questions so far?

  31. Interacting Cognitive Subsystems, a model by Teasdale & Barnard, based on research on cognitive processing – slide by Isabel Clarke and Donna Rutherford Body State subsystem Implicational subsystem Auditory ss. Implicational Memory Visual ss. Verbal ss. Propositional subsystem Propositional Memory

  32. Model of the “Renewal Process” • 1. Construct system breaks down • Common cause of that: trying to solve a problem not solvable within existing system • 2. Temporary suspension of constructs • Encounter with the “transliminal” • 3. Construct restructuring • If done under stress etc., errors are more likely, leading to • Holding on to bad ideas, and/or • Can also be completed successfully, resulting in new vision that enriches person & possibly the culture!

  33. Stages in the experience • Not all stages experienced by everyone. • First: ecstatic – unitive • When prolonged - becomes frightening • Mind is no longer private • Open to any influence or “insertion” • Loss of the construct “safe/dangerous” - danger can come from anywhere. • The boundary between inner and outer is lost. This slide combines 3 slides by Isabel Clarke

  34. Qualities of the Transliminal • Numinous • Unbounded - a state without boundaries • Access to propositional knowledge/memory is patchy • Suffused with meaning or meaningless • Self: lost in the whole or supremely important • Emotions: swing between extremes or absent • No means of anticipating or discriminating • Both/and - two contradictory things can be simultaneously valid This slide combines 2 slides by Isabel Clarke

  35. People may “flip” between being lost in the transliminal & relying on rigid & defective constructs Attempts at constructs coexist with an awareness of the mystery that surrounds them: Attachment to constructs is tentative, humble, maintains a sense of humor about their limits. Lively. Rely on defective, dissociated, and/or dogmatic constructs: Mystery, or awareness of limits to the constructs, is denied. Lost in the mystery: Since constructs were not adequate, all attempts at constructs are abandoned. But then there is no way to organize or communicate.

  36. May flip between states or coexisting, un-integrated opposites

  37. The Transliminal & the Multiplicity of Fear • The transliminal itself can be threatening in two ways • Any possible danger can be seen within it • Preoccupation with it could cause one to miss mundane dangers • Leaving the transliminal can also be threatening • Risk of settling into more limited ways of looking that may be flawed & may impair one’s future • Risk of losing access to mental freedom & transcendence

  38. Developing a working relationship between spirit and form…. See Spirit/emotion, and one’s “container” or outward form as both vital aspects of oneself: Don’t wholly identify with either one, both can work together & avoid destroying each other Identify with one’s “container” or outward form: see emotion/spirit as illness, something which disturbs the person Identify with Spirit/Emotion: See one’s “container” or form as something to be broken or abolished

  39. Session 2. The role of Arousalshaded area = anomalous experience/symptoms are more accessible. HighArousal - stress Slide by Isabel Clarke and Donna Rutherford

  40. DIALECTICAL BEHAVIOUR THERAPY: Linehan’s STATES OF MIND applied to PSYCHOSIS Discussion of Ways of coping suggested by this approach – management of arousal and distraction. Slide by Isabel Clarke and Donna Rutherford

  41. Using the model of the renewal process in therapy • Clarify history up to first experience of “psychosis” • Define the life problem that needed resolving • Look at how constructs at that time may have been inadequate • Education on how breakdown in constructs can lead to new insights • And what it’s like to be “in the process” • Explore how to keep access to this process • While better handling the risks

  42. Role of spirituality in recovery • For many, spirituality is key in response to any sort of adversity • Many report spirituality assists in recovery from psychosis • Visionary experience can contain keys to recovery • “Negative symptoms” can sometimes be overcome by opening up to spiritual themes present in the original psychosis

  43. Person perceives problem not solvable within construct system Surrounding society attempts to suppress renewal process in a way that causes problems for the person Person enters “renewal process” looking for solution Surrounding society sees renewal process as a threat

  44. A Balanced Approach to Possibly Mad Experiences Balance Between Openness to Renewal and Caution About Error: Possibility of positive transformation is seen as existing alongside dangers of “madness,” sorting/helping process exists Madness Runs Rampant: No limits are set on mad ideas or actions, no sorting process to protect against serious errors or dangers Rigid Walls Against Everything “Not Normal”: Fear of madness prohibits seeing anything spiritual or positive in “mad” experiences or perspectives

  45. Psychosis and Social Renewal • Rather than suppress the Visionary • A better role for society is: • Protect and contain the person and the process • Collaborate with the person in selectively drawing from the process • Train people prone to this process in how to navigate it successfully • Our survival may depend on a better relationship with the Visionary

  46. Exercise • One person is therapist, the other is a client • Client role plays having a problem related to a spiritual issue • Could include grandiosity, or be persecutory, or both • Therapist attempts to engage with the following qualities • Being curious about the details of the experience, without being quick to draw conclusions • Willing to talk about spiritual particulars and spiritual coping ideas without pretending to be a spiritual expert • Open to talking about what might be positive in the experience, or how it might relate to personal or spiritual growth

  47. Equanimity is important in approaching spiritual or mad experiences Balance in spiritual experience: Appreciates the gifts in spiritual experience but also able to “let go” at each level to allow for what is deeper Overly avoidant of some aspects of spiritual experience: For example, resists the psychic death that precedes rebirth, fear of seeing sense in which one is insignificant Overly grasping toward some aspects of spiritual experience: For example, seeking to be seen as more important or more powerful than others

  48. Voice Hearing Experiences Common Within Spiritual Experience • One study of 3,000 religious experiences, 7% heard a voice • Hardy, 1979 • Another study, 11% of college students reported that at least once they had heard the voice of God “as a real voice” • Posey & Losch, 1983 • Both of these citations were found in “Hearing Voices” by John Watkins

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