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Moving out of SI2K

Moving out of SI2K. How INFN is moving out of SI2K as a benchmark for Worker Nodes performance evaluation Michele Michelotto at pd.infn.it. INFN Problem. INFN needs to procure computing power for the CNAF Tier1 and for several Tier2 Which benchmark should we use to specify our requirements?

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Moving out of SI2K

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  1. Moving out of SI2K How INFN is moving out of SI2K as a benchmark for Worker Nodes performance evaluation Michele Michelotto at pd.infn.it

  2. INFN Problem • INFN needs to procure computing power for the CNAF Tier1 and for several Tier2 • Which benchmark should we use to specify our requirements? • Since at least Hepix Fall 2006 is clear the SI2000 is close to meaningless • INFN started a working group in charge of proposing a solution michele michelotto - INFN

  3. What it is SI2K • SI2K is actually a nickname for SPECCPUInt2000 benchmark • The geometric mean of a dozen of benchmark which stress the integer performance of a cpu • Delivered by SPEC in 2000, it came after Spec89, Spec Int 92 and Spec Int 95 • Declared obsolete by SPEC in 2006 • Replaced by CPUInt2006 michele michelotto - INFN

  4. Why is it important for us? • SI2K is the benchmark used up to now to measure the computing power of all the HEP experiments • Computing power requested by experiment, e.g. in the Computing TDR • Computing power provided by a Lab or a Tier-x • Computing power a funding agency is committed to pay for • Well, you have seen it yourself this week. Several site reported the Kilo or Mega SI2K available at their sites (other talked only of cores available) michele michelotto - INFN

  5. Transition phase • Impossible to find SPEC Int 2000 pubblished results for the new processors • (e.g. the not so new intel Clovertown 4core) • Impossible to find pubblished SPEC Int 2006 for old processor (before 2006) • E.g. Old P4 Xeon, P4, AMD 2xx • There is no conversion constant from SI2000 to SI2006 • the ratio for x86 architectures is in the 137 – 172 range michele michelotto - INFN

  6. SI2K/SI2K6 ratio michele michelotto - INFN

  7. The SI2K inflaction • The main problem with SI2000 in our community is that it not (any more) proportional to HEP codes performance • You can buy new processors with huge SI2K number but you gain only a smaller increase in real performances • The face value is not the real value michele michelotto - INFN

  8. Nominal SI vs real SI • SI2K results for the last generation processor affected by inflation • So CERN (and FZK) started to use a new currency: SI2K measured with “gcc”, the gnu C compiler and using two flavour of optimization • High tuning: gcc –O3 –funroll-loops–march=$ARCH • Low tuning: gcc –O2 –fPIC –pthread michele michelotto - INFN

  9. Nominal SI vs real SI • CERN Proposal: Use as site rating the “Real SI” obtained by SI measured with gcc-low and increased by 50% • This make sense but only for a short period of time and for the last generation of processor (2006-2007) • Actually is has been proposed as a short term solution • Run n copies in parallel • Where n is the number of cores in the worker node • To take in account the drop in performance of a multicore machine when fully loaded. • Preferred to the use of Spec INT 2000 Rate which had syncronized access to memory, unlike our batch farm worker nodes michele michelotto - INFN

  10. Too many SI2K • An example: how to evalutate a worker node with two Intel Woodcrest dual core 5160 at 3.06 GHz ? • SI2K (1 core): 2929 – 3089 (min – max) • SI2K on 4 cores: 11716 - 12536 • SI2K on 4 cores gcc-low : 5523 • SI2K on 4 cores gcc-high: 7034 • SI2K on 4 cores gcc-low + 50%: 8284 • SI2K on 4 cores gcc-high + 50%: 10551 michele michelotto - INFN

  11. Even more • Actually all the gcc results in the previous slide are on i386 (32bit) • if you would like to know how your code is running on 64 bit machine, you can measure Spec INT 2000 with gcc on x86_64 • So the worker node with two Intel Woodcrest dual core 5160 at 3.06 GHz • SI2K nominal: 2929 – 3089 (min – max) • SI2K on 4 cores: 11716 - 12536 • SI2K on 4 cores gcc-low: 6021 • SI2K on 4 cores gcc-high: 6409 • SI2K pn 4 cores gcc-low + 50%: 9031 michele michelotto - INFN

  12. A scale factor • All these numbers would be only annoying in a world with a unique architecture, in which only clock improves in time • You would be able to find a fixed ratio between all those number. • But in the real world, the ratio depends on both the CPU producer (intel vs AMD) and processor generation (old xeon vs new “core” Xeon ) michele michelotto - INFN

  13. The nominal SI2K Big Differences between Intel and AMD when SI2K/GHz are plotted michele michelotto - INFN

  14. The nominal SI2Krate SI2K RATE differentiate the dual core (TOP) from the 4 core (bottom) Smaller differences between Intel and AMD using SI2K Rate /GHz / core michele michelotto - INFN

  15. The “CERN” SI • The intel-amd gap is now smaller • Intel Xeon 5xxx scores -50% wrt nominal • Amd Opteron scores only -29% • Big differences between 32 and 64 bit on same core • SI2K/core/Ghz derived by M.Alef page on the HEPIX site at Caspur michele michelotto - INFN

  16. SI2K6rate michele michelotto - INFN

  17. Which is the better? • At INFN we started to measure performances of HEP codes on several machines • Our goal was to find a “commercial” mantained benchmark to replace SI2K • We compared HEP code with • SI2K pubblished results • SI2K CERN (gcc low) • SI2006 and SI2006 rate pubblished results • SI2006 and SI2006 with gcc4 (32 and 64 bit) michele michelotto - INFN

  18. Babar TierA Results • If you normalize by core and clock all new processors have the same performance • Doubling the older generation cpu • SI2006 matches this pattern (pubblished and gcc ratio constant) • SI2000-cern better than SI2K nominal • SI2000 clearly does’nt work michele michelotto - INFN

  19. CMS MC SIM and Pythia • CMS Montecarlo simulation (32bit) and Pythia (64bit) show the same performance once normalized • Both Specint 2006 pubblished and Specint 2006 with gcc show the same behaviour • SI2K pubbished does not match HEP sw • SI2K cern better but not as good as SI2006 michele michelotto - INFN

  20. Atlas • Here 100% is Xeon5160 • Few results for SI2006+gcc but no diff from CMS and babar • Few results also from SI2006 pubblished because of several old architectures • SI2K+gcc not bad • SI2K pubblished heavily overstimate new Xeon • Atlas simulation normalized performs the same on the new intel “core” or amd “opteron” (confirm the behaviour seen with CMS, Pithya, Babar) michele michelotto - INFN

  21. What INFN should be do? • The Working Group proposed to infn: • Stop using SI2000 pubblished because it gives meaningless number • SI2k CERN is good as a temporary solution but it is still using a 7 years old benchmark that is not mantained by SPEC (v1.3) • You can use it in a tender this year • We should move to a benchmark of the SPEC CPU 2006 suite • Best long term solution michele michelotto - INFN

  22. SI2006 Rate Best candidate is Spec INT 2006RATEmeasured withgcc • Spec INT 2006 because it’s new, you can find pubblished results to compare, will have bug fixes, and will be portable to new platform and new compiler • RATE because you can take in account of scalability issues with the whole machine architecture • Measured with GCC: to keep the environment as close as possible as the experiments. michele michelotto - INFN

  23. What is missing • All the official number are still expressed in terms of SI2K (nominal) • So funding agencies are still bounded to use SI2K for all formal agreements • A general agreements on the next benchmark is still missing but work is in progress • Example: use gcc4.1 with CERN “low” tuning and 32bit • NB SI2006 rate with gcc 64 bit too big for my machines. It needs more than 1 GB per core michele michelotto - INFN

  24. Thanks • The working group: A. Crescente, L. Dell’Agnello, D. Salomoni, F. Rosso, A. Sartirana, R.Stroili, D.Salomoni, M.Morandin, A.De Salvo, T.Zani • Thanks to CCR: the INFN Computing Committee • Thanks for input from LCG MB michele michelotto - INFN

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