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Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

Paul MckayProgramme DirectorAdult Social Care and HealthNottinghmshire


Objectives of the session

Objectives of the session:

  • Increase awareness on self funding issues

  • Understand Local Authorities Role and Duty

  • Understand what can be done

  • Develop an Action Plan


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

50:50

Welcome to Self Funding Awareness Quiz Get paper and pen ready

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£1 Million

14

£500,000

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

1

£100


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

Put these in the order in which they came into force.

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: Care Homes Regulations

B: Registered Homes Act

C: National Assistance Act

D: Community Care Act


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

At what level of capital do you have to be liable to pay the full cost of a Care Home

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£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

£18,500+

A: £29,000+

B:

C: £21,500+

D: £23,000+


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

Capital of what level is disregarded when deciding how much someone should contribute to the cost of their care?

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: £13,750

B: £9,000

C: £17,000

D: £10,000


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

13

£250,000

How many people does CSCI estimate are self funders in England?

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: 30%

B: 26%

C: 10%

D: 50%


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

How many weeks is the property disregard?

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: 11 weeks

B: 10 weeks

C: 12 weeks

D: 9 weeks


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

Congratulations!

Congratulations!

Congratulations!

You’ve Reached

the £1,000

Milestone!


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

How many homes are estimated to be sold each year to pay for Care Home fees?

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: 25,000

B: 40,000

D: 35,000

C: 50,000


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

How many people take financial advise before becoming a self funder?

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: 10%

B: 20%

D: 2%

C: 5%


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

What is the financial approx cost last year to a LA the size of Nottinghamshire?

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£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: £500,000

B: £750,000

C: £1,100,000

D: £1million


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

How many people each year ask the LA to pick up the cost of their care who were previously self funding?

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£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: 125

B: 200

C: 100

D: 115


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

When do LAs have a duty to assess the needs of people who are self funders?

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£250,000

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£125,000

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£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

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£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: When in the home

B: At £23,000

C: At £30,000

D: When approached


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

Congratulations!

Congratulations!

Congratulations!

You’ve Reached

the £32,000

Milestone!


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

How many Care Homes request a community care assessment for self funders?

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

B: Less than 5%

A: All

C: Approx 50%

D: Approx 10%


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

14

£500,000

What is the estimate number of people that will need support in the future?

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£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

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£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

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1

£100

B: 1 in 5

A: 1 in 6

D: 1 in 3

C: 1 in 4


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

How many people in 100 have less than £23,000 when they first enter a Care Home & should not be self funding?

£1 Million

14

£500,000

13

£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

7

£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: 30 in 100

B: 1 in 100

C: 6 in 100

D: 10 in 100


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

15

£1 Million

Can anything be done?

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£500,000

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£250,000

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£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

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£16,000

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£8,000

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£4,000

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£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

A: Yes

B: Maybe

D: Don’t know

C: Ask a friend


Paul mckay programme director adult social care and health nottinghmshire

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£1 Million

14

£500,000

What is it???

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£250,000

12

£125,000

11

£64,000

10

£32,000

9

£16,000

8

£8,000

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£4,000

6

£2,000

5

£1,000

4

£500

3

£300

2

£200

50:50

1

£100

B: NHFA and HTA Care

Fees Advice

A:

C:

D:


Nhfa and hta care fees planning

NHFA and HTA Care Fees Planning:

  • Advice provided by NHFA

    • leading Care Fees Advice specialist for over 17 years

  • Regulated by FSA – independent

    • Member of HSBC Group since July 2005

  • Help the Aged Care Fees Advice for 12 years


Why specialist advice

Why specialist advice?

  • Financial advice cannot be divorced from legislative advice or knowledge

  • Knowledge of ever-changing legislation

  • Advisers with specialist qualification - CF8 as stipulated by the FSA

    • Later Life Accreditation

  • Knowledge of available benefits

  • Receive ongoing advice


Specialist financial advice

Specialist financial advice

  • Financial advice:

    • To show affordability of chosen care

    • Enable care fees to be paid for as long as possible

    • Ensure all available benefits claimed

  • Legislative Advice

    • Lasting Power of Attorney

    • Wills


Benefit to care provider

Benefit to care provider

  • Helping residents and family access specialist advice and information

    • Enabling people to make an informed decision on how to fund their care for as long as they need it without running out of money

  • Where possible, guaranteed payment of care fees for as long as the care is needed


Next steps

Next steps . . .

  • Continue to work with homes, social care teams and other sources to raise awareness of the service available

  • Attendance at Residents and Relative meetings by a qualified care fees advice Adviser

  • Supply home with literature to distribute

  • Access to the advice helpline

  • Commitment from care providers to help ensure that people receive and advice and information from the start


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